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toombaru · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:15 pm Post subject: 'Mind'

'Mind' cannot look at itself.

Mind does not create the dream.

It is the film......the mechanism....through which the Light passes.

It is the transducer through which the undifferentiated creation is converted into the secondary conceptual dream world in which the resulting illusory entity wanders....and plans an imaginary escape.

It contains no solution to its chimerical 'problem'.

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michael · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:03 pm Post subject:

Mind? If this means anything, what it means is not it.

There is no such 'thing' as mind... apart from the idea of 'mind'... which 'idea' is not what thought says it is. Confused

It is 'that which is known as mind'... and 'what' is that?

No idea Cool

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michael · Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject:

Two 'imagined' (known) worlds:

The 'objective world' that is imagined (known) to be 'out there' supposedly containing all 3-D objects (including 'the body' of 'the observer')... the world described by science , and

(In passing, what is it that science describes? It is the apparent relations between imagined (known) 'objects/events'. Shocked

It says nothing about 'reality' [whatever this is Wink

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Who invented science? Who holds the knowledge in all the minds of all the creatures and all the computers and of all 'things' as they are known to be... eternally? How is this meaning made instantly accessible to awareness? Nonsense meaningless questions Cool

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and the other 'imagined' (known) world:

The 'subjective world' that is imagined (known) to be the 'apparent world' seen from the perspective of 'the observer' as supposedly 'modified' through the imagined (known) 'body/brain' of the assumed observer.

Both worlds are imagined (known), but only the 'subjective world' is perceived from the perspective of the imagined (known) 'observer'.

Mind? The imagined (known) 'modification' of the supposed 'external/objective world' by the imagined (known) body/brain of the imagined (known) 'observer' to 'create' the 'apparent world' imagined (known) to be perceived from the perspective of the imagined (known) 'observer'.

This imagined 'mind' 'creates' nothing... no more than a 'sub-routine' in a computer program 'creates' the images of a 'game character' in a 'game world'.

Imagine that Exclamation

As for 'imagination' and 'knowing'... is there any 'thing' 'imagined' that is not 'known'?

This is a 'meaningful question', simply because the answer is known Very Happy

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toombaru · Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 3:50 pm Post subject:

michael · Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:57 pm Post subject:

toombaru · Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject:

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michael · Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 2:19 am Post subject:

Who is it that does not want to suffer?

What is suffering?

Who is afraid of what?

Who's on first, What's on second Wink

Who's affraid of Virginia Wolfe? Very Happy

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fox · Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 821 Location: Switzerland

michael · Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:35 pm Post subject:

Hi fox.

No worries dear friend. Since I can't claim authorship, where the words appear is not up to 'me' Very Happy

As for 'us', you may remember the story of the Lone Ranger and his Indian sidekick Tonto. After many years of fighting baddies together, the Lone Ranger and Tonto find themselves surrounded by a tribe of renegade Indians. After firing his last bullet, and as a swarm of warriors approach, The Lone Ranger turns to Tonto and says: "Look's Like we are finally done for old friend. To which Tonto calmly replied: "What 'we'... whiteman".

So again, 'intelligence' asks: "what 'we' are you talking about" Cool

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fox · Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 821 Location: Switzerland

michael · Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:30 am Post subject:

fox · Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 821 Location: Switzerland

oh...

what is doom?

doom = death?
annihilation of the body-mind? Hence, annihilation of consciousness?

The result: "No contrast" anymore, and especially nobody there anymore to experience this "no contrast" ! (?)
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michael · Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:54 pm Post subject:

fox · Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 821 Location: Switzerland

So, consciousness cannot be annihilated - only 'the one apparently experiencing consciousness'?
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michael · Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:26 am Post subject:

Bloody Hell, 'fox' Very Happy

... there's no 'person' experiencing consciousness... apparently or otherwise. Evil or Very Mad

Consciousness (which cannot be seen, felt, smelled, heard, tasted or known) is the only one seeming to experience life AS 'fox'.

Consciousness is the 'experiencer' and the 'experience'.

This 'consciousness' is right now seeing these words as they appear. And where they appear is 'in' consciousness.

'Fox' can see nothing. Anything that 'fox' seems to be is no more than an 'idea' in consciousness, given apparent substance through the senses (which are also one with consciousness).

The senses are not derived from or a function of any 'body'. They, together with the knowing, are consciousness. They 'exist' in no 'thing'. They have no source. Consciousness is its own source. These are not words to be analysed. They point to that which is 'conscious' now: seeing, hearing, feeling, tasting, smelling and knowing... right now.

It is consciousness pretending to be 'fox'.

There ain't no 'fox' (or 'michael', or anyone else)... just a 'thought' that there is a person called fox who has a certain 'look' and given apparent substance through 'feelings', including the feeling of 'touch' (which has no substance!!! Shocked

). This apparent person seems to live in a world. But this world too is no more than a dream given apparent substance through sensation... all 'in' consciousness.

This 'dreamworld' has no more 'reality' or 'substance' or 'extension' than any other apparent dream world.

These words are not written by 'michael', nor read by 'fox'.

As they appear right right now, these words are manifested directly in the seeing that is one with consciousness. This seeing is not in any 'body'. Every 'body' and every 'thing' else appears in this seeing. And in the moment the object is no longer in view, it is gone... as an image in a dream is gone.

It is not 'fox' who is confused... 'fox' is the apparent confusion Cool

'Fox' is a dream character in a dream world full of other dream people.

And 'you' are the dreamer... and 'who' or 'what' this dreamer is no words can say. This 'dreamer', hangs in the void... it is the void, so called only because it cannot be sensed or known and so appears as no 'thing'... yet this that reads these words is Almighty, Everlasting, The Beloved.