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[nemo]

I’ve often read that awakening leads to realization that YOU are IT
That there is only you and you are all.
Not you, sam jones, of course,
But you, the source, that which is the source of all.
Perhaps I missed the boat
Or fell through the boat
But I had this realization in mid- 2004 and wrote “Elephants into Mice” to express this.
But when I awoke, this is not what appeared.
What appeared is that there is no I, no Me, no one here
No here no now
There is only the appearance of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, body sensations and thoughts
But, no one to do the perceiving.
Even the idea that all this appears in awareness, which I can accept, can lead to the idea that awareness is aware of what arises
I don’t see this as so.
Awareness is, and all that appears is awareness and therefore “self” awareness is a property of it.
If clay were aware, then whatever form it was shaped into, it would be aware as the form, not of the form.
Yes, I can see that implication, the inference that absolute reality, pure awareness is unmoving, no light, no sound, no thing and that movement, light, sound, things appears against it
But isn’t this even giving in a bit? Isn’t this still looking away from the brutal reality of the pointer, it is still entertaining the idea of “contrast” – which is a dualistic concept
Yet, in oneness, in nothingness,
There is not even the contrast.
Is this not all what appears, is caused when dualistic language is used to describe that which cannot be described? The pointer: all appearances, all existence are illusions, are mere reflections of that which does not exist?
No matter how closely we shave it,
It’s not it
So, there is the appearance of meaninig, of understanding, of seeing.
But there is no meaning, understanding or seeing
Whatever you think it is, it isn’t
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[michael]

Hi 'nome'

Any meaningful 'thought', 'word' 'idea' never comes close.

So of course on a forum of words thought to convey only meaning, the only expression that seems true is: 'there is no meaning, understanding or seeing'.

To a 'blind man' 'seeing' is a meaningless word, as is 'meaning/understanding' to an 'idiot'.

These words cannot be understood. They have no meaning. They simply point to the reality.

The reality is in no need of words to be what it is. It requires no validation or proof.

Here is seeing, smelling, tasting, feeling, hearing and knowing... all meaningless words

Love
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[awakening]

Hi NoMe (Good one Michael )

As it is seen from here, it makes no difference how the pointing is done. Whether we say the ‘I’ has disappeared or whether we say “I am all that is.” they are both conceptual pointers to the Is/IsNot prior to the duality of being/non-being.

When the penny drops the words served their purpose and can be forgotten –or played with as we do on this forum. Ooops no doers here of course... those darn words trip me up (and out) every time.

You might enjoy these quotes:

Love says "I am everything".
Wisdom says "I am nothing".

~ Nisargadatta ~
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Or we could replace the words ‘form and emptiness’ in the next quote with ‘being and non being.

Form does not differ from emptiness
emptiness does not differ from form
form itself is emptiness
emptiness itself is form
so too are feeling cognition
formation and consciousness.

~ Heart Sutra ~
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The nature of phenomena is nondual,
but each one, in its own state,
is beyond the limits of the mind.
There is no concept that can define
the condition of "what is"
but vision nevertheless manifests:
all is good.

~ Chogyal Namkhai Norbu ~
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[nemo]

...leaving wonderment at the mystery of it all
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[michael]

'Wonderment'... the experience you have when you're not having an experience

Love
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[maple3]

[michael]

Hi maple3... nice to see your smiling face again.

What a bummer: Multiple Choice... and no one to choose.

Fortunately there's no one here

And no one chooses Love and Wisdom

What nonsense

Love
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[maple3]

[awakening]

[nemo]

thanks Leo, good Nisy - both are experienced & both are equally true and false

ah...the old Great Heart of Wisdom Sutra - chanted for years during Zazen practice without a "clue" what it pointed to.
the end of the sutra says:
gone to the other shore, beyond the other shore
having never left

what fun
& really like the last quote


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[sara]

[awakening]

[nemo]

Sara,

there is no experienced BY

as this ("BY") still holds an element of duality

I would say there is no entity being animated (the idea of an animatinng presence is a teaching device and must be abandonded at some point)
There may be an appeareance of an entity - but does that mean there is an entity?
There may be the appearance of a reflection or shadow - but do they exist?
I cannot speak for Leo, but there is no Nemo to disspear! Nemo never existed and neither does sara! While thoughts, perceptions and sensations appear to appear (sorry ) that does not mean there is anyone here.

from the context of the original post I would day there is only an experience, and a story called leo (or sara, or nemo). Currently there is a reluctance to use "I" or to say "i am ....anything (or nothing)"

joe
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[fox]

[nemo]

Dear Fox:

that means: The oneness can never be experienced by somebody.
>> Examine what the statement implies: implicit subject-object, so : No


Even worse - there is nobody there to experience oneness.
>> again - notice the implicit assumption of a separate observer

Damn, even worse than that:

that means: The oneness can never be experienced by somebody.

>>I'll go even further: experience cannot be experienced
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