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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awakening wrote:
sara wrote:

What are you when 'leo' completely disappears?


The answer is on the tip of my tongue, but when I want to say it it slips away again. Very Happy

Perhaps I am nothing at all Sara; the same no-thing that is/is not appearing as you too.

Do you hear that song in the background?

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
I am the eggman, they are the eggmen.
I am the walrus, goo goo g’joob.

Laughing


The song playing now is Paul Simon's:

I live in fear
My love for you's so overpowering
I'm afraid that I will disappear

Slip slidin' away
Slip slidin' away
You know the nearer your destination
The more you're slip slidin' away




nemo wrote:

from the context of the original post I would day there is only an experience, and a story called leo (or sara, or nemo). Currently there is a reluctance to use "I" or to say "i am ....anything (or nothing)"
joe


Wow! This is a direct transmission Shocked beyond any 'understanding' from the so-called 'mind'. Idea

Going for a walk on the beach.

Muchas gracias amigos,
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

experience cannot be experienced


ok...fox's haiku:



The experiencer
that cannot experience the experience
is about to expire.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Questions and answers are just questions and answers.

That which knows their meaning is not the meaning, though the meaning is not separate from it.

What is there to fear in this...

Nothing to lose, nothing to gain.

Everlasting mystery

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi sara, there is no 'entity' (no 'nemo', or 'sara', or leo, or michael, or fox, or ...) to experience through... and no beach to walk on.

Sensations and meaning are seemingly experienced as bits of body (admittedly gorgeous in some cases Very Happy ) and thoughts and feelings and scenes that create the impression of 'an entity (me) living in a world'.

Lying on the sand, looking up at the clear sky, most of these impressions disappear.

What remains unchanged even as the impressions change?

What remains in the absence of all impressions?

No words can answer these questions.

What remains is its own answer.

It is all there really is.

Perhaps sara has gone for her walk on the beach and will never return... as she never was here.

And yet, the experience of seeming to be sara walking on the beach appears.

How wonderful, no one appearing as some one... everyone.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael wrote:
Questions and answers are just questions and answers.

That which knows their meaning is not the meaning, though the meaning is not separate from it.

What is there to fear in this...

Nothing to lose, nothing to gain.

Everlasting mystery

Love


There are no 'words' here at the moment and there is no fear. There is just this huge overwhelming love and happiness!Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

'Your' words are so beautiful, michael! And I adore the way 'you' arranged them:

michael wrote:
Lying on the sand, looking up at the clear sky, most of these impressions disappear.

What remains unchanged even as the impressions change?

What remains in the absence of all impressions?

No words can answer these questions.

What remains is its own answer.

It is all there really is.



Here there is really no expression for this! The 'words' just feel strange and awkward. Confused

And this play has seemingly happened many times before and it's inexpressibly expansive and delicious (and ordinary!), but it's just the "integration", kind of like a "readiness" preparation of the 'nervous system' (Yes, lots of 'meditation and yoga' in this script! Wink) , the fading in and out and not "the dropping of the penny." *G*

AND It's all absolutely perfect! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some words say 'how beautiful michael's words are', while other words say that different words appear 'awkward and strange'.

Words commenting on words. Very Happy

Neither sara, nor michael exist (except as 'ideas', given apparent form through sensation). Neither is author of anythng.

Everything read is written in the seeing, in the moment it appears... by whom or through what power no word can say.

If the word appears 'meaningful', the meaning is not it. If the word appears to be nonsense, the word is saying nothing (no meaning). It is simply a word: this nothing written... it is not the 'no thing' itself.

sara wrote:
The 'words' just feel strange and awkward. Confused


All words may appear 'strange and awkward'.

Try saying 'elbow' 20 times... ridiculous. Cool Very Happy

OK now 'what' is an 'elbow'. Its the main joint in an arm, I hear you say. But what is a joint and what is an arm, and how does it work, and what is it made of, and, and, and...

See how awkward words are, even as they are seemingly used to describe 'things'.

When you really want to get to the heart of the matter...

... well words are strange indeed.

As strange as describing 'blue' to a man born blind. No word can 'give' the experience of 'seeing blue'. Yet given sight, it is neither hard nor easy to see blue... it is simply impossible to not see 'blue' as it is seen.

There are no blind men (nor sighted men)... only seeing: seeing colours and seeing no colours... it is all seeing.

Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder... inseparable from consciousness.

sara wrote:
AND It's all absolutely perfect! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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¸.·´ .HEART TO HEART·´¨¨) )
( (¸¸.·´ ..·´ <:¦:>
-:¦:- Love is all there is!!! ( (¸¸.·´^ D



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to comment something on your dialogue - but I forgot.



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: no me Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
I’ve often read that awakening leads to realization that YOU are IT
That there is only you and you are all.
Not you, sam jones, of course,
But you, the source, that which is the source of all.
Perhaps I missed the boat
Or fell through the boat
But I had this realization in mid- 2004 and wrote “Elephants into Mice” to express this.
But when I awoke, this is not what appeared.
What appeared is that there is no I, no Me, no one here
No here no now
There is only the appearance of seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting, body sensations and thoughts
But, no one to do the perceiving.
Even the idea that all this appears in awareness, which I can accept, can lead to the idea that awareness is aware of what arises
I don’t see this as so.
Awareness is, and all that appears is awareness and therefore “self” awareness is a property of it.
If clay were aware, then whatever form it was shaped into, it would be aware as the form, not of the form.
Yes, I can see that implication, the inference that absolute reality, pure awareness is unmoving, no light, no sound, no thing and that movement, light, sound, things appears against it
But isn’t this even giving in a bit? Isn’t this still looking away from the brutal reality of the pointer, it is still entertaining the idea of “contrast” – which is a dualistic concept
Yet, in oneness, in nothingness,
There is not even the contrast.
Is this not all what appears, is caused when dualistic language is used to describe that which cannot be described? The pointer: all appearances, all existence are illusions, are mere reflections of that which does not exist?
No matter how closely we shave it,
It’s not it
So, there is the appearance of meaninig, of understanding, of seeing.
But there is no meaning, understanding or seeing
Whatever you think it is, it isn’t


It doesn't matter if the description is never 'That' which cannot be described............if it is 'That' not describibg it !!!
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox wrote:
I wanted to comment something on your dialogue - but I forgot.



Embarassed

Laughing

aehmmm......

The lover pretending to be a fox pretending to forget to remember! Wink




'michael' wrote:









Love



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