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toombaru



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: Sages and Suffering Reply with quote

If after many years of effort.......you somehow become able to know that at night.....you are dreaming........

.....and along with this knowledge......you are able.... through a certain sustained focus....to exert control over the outcome of the dreams that you find your self in.

......and if.....for some unknown reason......you decide to offer your knowledge in an attempt to help those who you think are suffering within the dream.......

......are you being benevolent.......or are you just delusional?

.........or is it simply your own suffering that you are dreaming ....and wish to assauge?



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the dream of a nightly dream there is but illusion... 'no one' is not deluded by this... this is not a double negative Cool. The content of the illusion is known without error in the instant it appears.

In the dream of a waking life, the same... and yet it is as if each creature perceived is conscious, for consciousness knows life from every perspective. As it seems that help or hurt is given, so it seems that it is received.

No wish to assuage, no wish to alter what appears. No one not helped, no one not harmed, no one not deluded...

The appearance is not of its own making. That which is ever unchanged is alone the author of all apparent change.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Re: Sages and Suffering Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
If after many years of effort.......you somehow become able to know that at night.....you are dreaming........

.....and along with this knowledge......you are able.... through a certain sustained focus....to exert control over the outcome of the dreams that you find your self in.

......and if.....for some unknown reason......you decide to offer your knowledge in an attempt to help those who you think are suffering within the dream.......

......are you being benevolent.......or are you just delusional?

.........or is it simply your own suffering that you are dreaming ....and wish to assauge?



toombaru


Neither......

ALL................, which, by definition, is already everything and therefore requires nothing including help, imagines it needs help and tries to help itself for no reason whatsoever. Its all happening by itself and has nothing to do with the non-existant imaginary separate 'you' that is already that beloved eternal,................ALL
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