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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:10 pm    Post subject: Revolutionary personal earthshake or teoretical understandin Reply with quote

I wonder. In this forum it seems to be a talking about some sort of understanding. This understanding is neglecting the meaning and importance of something called the personal " drama" expressed with emotions, knowledge and experience. The " goal", " ideal" seems to be some sort of condition where the person is saying that " whatever happens , whatever is, is an expression of IT "
Suffering is IT, Happiness it IT. It is all various expressions of IT.
Seeking has ended, the " I" am no more, it is all an expression of IT.
And there seem to be some " feeling " of love connected to this state.

This is all good, But, but , but , but ............

How does this happen? Is it happening like " oh , babe, this is it, how could I forget, lets go and have some coffee and a walk with the dog in the rain "

I don't think it is so simple: Oh it is here , all the time, you just have to see it, and you really have been there all the time .

I think it is like earthshake and thunder. Chewing you, blowing you in pieces, and leaving you pliant.

Like Khalil Gibran writes :

He threshes you to make you naked.
He sifts you to free you from your husks.
He grinds you to whiteness.
He kneads you until you are pliant:
and then he assigns you to his sacred fire, that you may become sacred bread for God's sacred feast.

That's my opinion! It is not a thought prosess , it is a major, total personal breakdown !!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"oh , babe, this is it, how could I forget, lets go and have some coffee and a walk with the dog in the rain "


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eldberg wrote:
That's my opinion! It is not a thought prosess , it is a major, total personal breakdown !!!!!!!!!!!

But Eldberg,
how is it for you?
Is that just an opinion, just a thought, or is it thunder and earthquake???
And if so, how is it now? Still thunder and earthquake or is that over now?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McB wrote:
Eldberg wrote:
That's my opinion! It is not a thought prosess , it is a major, total personal breakdown !!!!!!!!!!!

But Eldberg,
how is it for you?
Is that just an opinion, just a thought, or is it thunder and earthquake???
And if so, how is it now? Still thunder and earthquake or is that over now?

Love
McB


Hi McB

Good question, how is it for me?

Defending the earthquake, but where is it ?

Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Love
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes indeed, where is it now?

That is the problem with expecting or looking for thunder or earthquakes, even they don't last and then after they have passed, what is left, just the emptiness in which they arose and then left again.

Perhaps something which is always here is more real than that which arises and passes away, perhaps the emptiness is what IT is.......... and nothing needs to happen for that emptiness to be here.

Love
McB
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a girl at the fast food place who apparently could not get anything

right on this particular day.

She broke down and started to weep...

The other girl rushed to her and began to ask

...'What is IT !!?...what is IT?!!'

What ever IT is....

Its spreading Shocked

Stay on your toes
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All we can know for certain is we can only experience

'ITS' after effects

Like some sort of thief in the night
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emptyprincipal wrote:
All we can know for certain is we can only experience

'ITS' after effects

Like some sort of thief in the night


The idea of 'we' belongs to the after effects,
The sensation of 'we' belongs to the experienced.
IT is the inexperience-able experiencing right now.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 12:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Revolutionary personal earthshake or teoretical understa Reply with quote

eldberg wrote:


That's my opinion! It is not a thought prosess , it is a major, total personal breakdown !!!!!!!!!!!


Like being completely vulnerable, like it or not.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Revolutionary personal earthshake or teoretical understa Reply with quote

angela wrote:
eldberg wrote:


That's my opinion! It is not a thought prosess , it is a major, total personal breakdown !!!!!!!!!!!


Like being completely vulnerable, like it or not.


Or is IT beyond vulnerability whilst including the appearance of it.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Revolutionary personal earthshake or teoretical understa Reply with quote

flickerings of eldberg's flame:


"I wonder.... is an expression of IT "
Suffering is IT,
Happiness it IT.
It is all various expressions of IT.
But, but , but , but ............
I don't think
it is so simple:
Oh it is here ,
all the time,
you just have to see it,
and you really have been there
all the time .
It is not a thought prosess
!!!!!!!!!!
"

eldbjorg-the eternal flame keeper,
it's your name... burn baby burn
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Hatima



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 3:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Revolutionary personal earthshake or teoretical understa Reply with quote

jeff wrote:
flickerings of eldberg's flame:


"I wonder.... is an expression of IT "
Suffering is IT,
Happiness it IT.
It is all various expressions of IT.
But, but , but , but ............
I don't think
it is so simple:
Oh it is here ,
all the time,
you just have to see it,
and you really have been there
all the time .
It is not a thought prosess
!!!!!!!!!!
"

eldbjorg-the eternal flame keeper,
it's your name... burn baby burn
Smile


Jesus said: Whoever is near to me is near to the fire.

The Gospel acccording to Thomas
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McB wrote:
That is the problem with expecting or looking for thunder or earthquakes, even they don't last and then after they have passed, what is left, just the emptiness in which they arose and then left again.

Perhaps something which is always here is more real than that which arises and passes away, perhaps the emptiness is what IT is.......... and nothing needs to happen for that emptiness to be here.



Beautiful. There is the feeling here too that a sense of this emptiness comes, ironically, through the wonder and variety of it's manifestations, including these apparitions we call ourselves.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Whonowz, what is perhaps noticed is that all of the manifestations arise, are enjoyed and then pass away, and yet there is something which is present, before, during and after which never varies and feels very familiar indeed and as that constant empty presence becomes more familiar, it might just start to feel more "ourself" than any manifestation.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

McB wrote:
Yes, Whonowz, what is perhaps noticed is that all of the manifestations arise, are enjoyed and then pass away, and yet there is something which is present, before, during and after which never varies and feels very familiar indeed and as that constant empty presence becomes more familiar, it might just start to feel more "ourself" than any manifestation.

Love
McB


But McB, isn't 'becoming more familiar' and 'starting to feel more like' not itself manifestation? Do not words such as 'becoming' and 'starting' already imply the 'act of coming and going?' This coming, becoming and starting - inherent to appearances- does not apply to this Vast Emptiness You Are.
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