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McB



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, Leo, you are right. The Vast Emptiness never changes and does not come and go or start or stop, and it seems that in the absence of arisings that only then that permanence is noticed. It also seems that it is the false identification with the arisings as who or what we appear to be that means the Vast Emptiness in which they arise not to be seen as what is.

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sara



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Absence and arisings Reply with quote

Very Happy
awakening wrote:

.... isn't 'becoming more familiar' and 'starting to feel more like' not itself manifestation?
Do not words such as 'becoming' and 'starting' already imply the 'act of coming and going?'
This coming, becoming and starting - inherent to appearances- does not apply to this Vast Emptiness You Are.*

[sara's bold Cool]


McB wrote:

Yes, Leo, you are right.
The Vast Emptiness never changes and does not come and go or start or stop,
and it seems that in the absence of arisings that only then that permanence is noticed.
It also seems that it is the false identification with the arisings as who or what we appear to be
that means the Vast Emptiness in which they arise [is] not to be seen as what is.*

Love
McB



To me, it seems as if eldberg is saying two things here:
about not neglecting the importance of the "personal drama",
of expressions of emotions, knowledge and experiences just naturally arising:

"Suffering is IT, Happiness it IT. It is all various expressions of IT.
Seeking has ended, the " I" am no more, it is all an expression of IT.
This is all good..."
eldberg

and then:

"But, but , but , but ............"

writing about " feeling of love connected to this state". eldberg

This 'feeling of love' is one of the primary (and perfectly OK!) "misunderstandings" arising in being, in what we are (wwa).
Unconditional Love (UL) is not 'connected' to any "state", and yet love can 'arise' in it.
(I only capitalize UL to 'differentiate' it, not to make it seem an 'ideal', or superior "goal".)
Personal love, as delicious as it is, can seem to be very "tricky"...
although it is just one of the "arisings" apparently happening inside UL, It, Being, consciousness, wwa.

As Richard Sylvester [with sara brackets] says in his book,

"With liberation [for no one] comes the seeing [for no one],
that there is only unconditional love arising as everything there is.
There can be no explanation for this
although the 'mind' will [seem] to look for one.
It simply is [appears to be] so.
When 'I' am seen as everything
there can be no possibility in that seeing
except to realise [as self-evident] that everything is love." RS


"I don't think it is so simple:
Oh it is here , all the time, you just have to see it,
and you really have been there all the time."
eldberg

It is even simpler than that! Very Happy
You don't have to "see it".
in fact, 'you' can't see it.
You aren't there at all.
So there is nothing
that can be done
about anything,
Including...

"False Identification"!

McB wrote:

...and indeed [it] is all as it should be.

Love
McB


Indeed it is! Very Happy

Love,
sararisingagainandagain, its.

*Please just indulge me, McB and 'le'one,
this character is addicted to reformatting, STS,
and can't seem to help herself. *sob*
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McB



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spot on, sarareformatting!!!
Good job. Very Happy

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Aurora



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Absence and arisings Reply with quote

sara wrote:


As Richard Sylvester [with sara brackets] says in his book,

"With liberation [for no one] comes the seeing [for no one],
that there is only unconditional love arising as everything there is.
There can be no explanation for this
although the 'mind' will [seem] to look for one.
It simply is [appears to be] so.
When 'I' am seen as everything
there can be no possibility in that seeing
except to realise [as self-evident] that everything is love." RS


"I don't think it is so simple:
Oh it is here , all the time, you just have to see it,
and you really have been there all the time."
eldberg

It is even simpler than that! Very Happy
You don't have to "see it".
in fact, 'you' can't see it.
You aren't there at all.
So there is nothing
that can be done
about anything,
Including...

"False Identification"!




Hi saramazingasalwaysabsentorarising

Makes sense, even if I don't understand it!



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