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ANNA



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

awakening wrote:
meL wrote:
does Leo assert
that the Surround is God ?

No he does not, as 'the surround' would imply that there is something surrounded. This (God if you want) cannot be surrounded: No inside, no outside, just This.


"Truly, I say to you, today you shall
be with me in Heaven.” (Luke 23:43)


" Only this.

Only ever this.

Arising spontaneously.

Leaving no trace.

How could it be otherwise?



Emptiness and fullness, being and non-being.

All is here. All is Now.


But those are just words.



No words necessary.

Just this."~ Jeff Foster

What a woner_FULL day!

The sun sunshine,
the spring comes on its way,
the robin chirp,chirp on the tree...
and life goes on and on...
as ever have been
THIS

LOVE

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 2:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANNA wrote:
It seems Michael deserve and wins all Oscar Awards
Of the ATTD (Academy to the Dreamers) :

Actor, Writer, Director, Producer and Technician.




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Laughing


hmmm... perhaps there is apparent confusion between the character and the actor... michael is just a character...

don't thank him...he has nothing to do with it...

he cannot even say his lines
until I speak... smile

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2007 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael wrote:
he cannot even say his lines
until I speak... smile

Love


of course, I never speak, nor ever write...

hearing alone hears the sounds
and seeing alone sees the marks
and knowing alone knows the meaning
and power alone makes of these speech and writing...

seamlessly integrated into a single instant holistic experiencing

a mystery to the knowing and the senses...

how amazing...

how wonder full...

this 'I' referred to is like an arrow
pointing 'out of this screen'

at this that sees and understands these words...

invisible... seeing colours
silent... hearing sounds
odourless... smelling odours
tasteless... tasting flavours
intangible... feeling feelings
unknown... knowing number form and meaning
uncontrolled... controlling all manifestation...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She sings
"
Have You Ever Seen The Rain.....coming down on a sunny day
"



i assert....We are in the boat.....dry land ahead

"
Never a Dull Moment
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANNA

This IS all there IS -- UGK

yes

Heaven
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The body IS

why reject it Shocked

AND

for the most part, all it cares for is food and sex.

The body has extraordinary intellegence -- UGK

be simple, have a peek Very Happy

Dont let the too big brain fool You.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the brain got too big


If someone says....no way out

THAT is what they are talking about.

Get close to God
THAT is the way out

THAT is sacrifice

She sings, right on time, on my tv NOW
"
Dont give up

You are Loved
"


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANNA wrote:
awakening wrote:
meL wrote:
does Leo assert
that the Surround is God ?

No he does not, as 'the surround' would imply that there is something surrounded. This (God if you want) cannot be surrounded: No inside, no outside, just This.



Smile

look again
Very Happy
When i am
just the body

She appears.

i am only reporting what i SEE

i am NOT reporting thought.

thought takes time.....SEEing does not

AWAKE is not in time.

AWAKE is instantaneous, moment to moment.

Even the QM experts had a problem with time.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

meL wrote:
ANNA wrote:
awakening wrote:
meL wrote:
does Leo assert
that the Surround is God ?

No he does not, as 'the surround' would imply that there is something surrounded. This (God if you want) cannot be surrounded: No inside, no outside, just This.



Smile

look again
Very Happy
When i am
just the body

She appears.

i am only reporting what i SEE

i am NOT reporting thought.

thought takes time.....SEEing does not

AWAKE is not in time.

AWAKE is instantaneous, moment to moment.

Even the QM experts had a problem with time.
.


How could I
-Being ItSelf-
be 'just the body?'

The duality of
I and She
inside and outside
the surrounded and the surrounding

is fiction...

There is only This!
But nothing wrong
with a bit
of make believe...

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=make+believe

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

emptyprincipal wrote:
Have you ever reached down for a sip of a beverage

like Ice Tea and forgot you really had coke ?

And experienced a sort of mind blooper ?

Thats all belief amounts to...

anticipation and expectation


am I drinking Iced Coffee?

it smells like Iced Coffee
it tastes like Iced Coffee
it feels cool like Iced Coffee
it looks like Iced Coffee
the slurp and clink of the ice as I drink it sounds like Iced Coffee...
and I know it is made with ground Coffee beans and milk and ice

I do believe it is 'Iced Coffee'...

of course, it is not 'really' 'Iced Coffee'...

it just seems that it is this instant...

as the odours, flavours, feelings, colours and sounds arise in concord with the meaning: ‘Iced Coffee’.

this 'meaning' is not 'thought'... it is instantly known

yet…

how should ‘I’ drink ‘odour’ or ‘flavour’ or ‘feelings’ or ‘colour’ or ‘sound’ or ‘meaning’…

as I cannot drink the images and flavours and other sensations and meaning that appear to be 'me drinking Iced Coffee' in a nightly dream ...

so 'in reality' there is neither 'me', nor 'Iced Coffee' nor 'drinking'...

just the belief that there is...

combined with certain sensations...

appearing ‘instantly’...

and instantly disappearing...

this 'belief' is not like a 'human belief'...
this belief is known without error...

it is ‘believing’ these sensations are 'things' and ‘activities’... when they are not

such is the wonder of this illusion…

all the while…

awakening wrote:
There is only This!
But nothing wrong
with a bit
of make believe...


Love
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael wrote:
and this instant
there are no other perspectives being experienced
just this...

awareness is not Many
is not divided...

all other possible perspectives are not experienced


Michael wrote:
this that reads
is alone...

entirely
absolutely
eternally...

alone...

Michael, A few observations/questions on this topic that you express so clearly.

The above express a self-evident truth that virtually 'anyone' can simply see as only ever being the case. The perspective or camera angle McB never knows itself as the perspective or camera angle Michael or Fox, simply because that is a different camera angle and hence no longer McB. So the absolute alone-ness is self-evident.

However, a couple of factors seem to go against this total alone-ness and perhaps make it harder to see.

Firstly, is the belief that 'I' am a separate body with a mind in a big external world.
Secondly, is the illusion of the passing of time, past, present and a future.
And thirdly, there is the apparent evidence of 'other' bodies, who by the way they express themselves give rise to the assumption that they are simultaneously experiencing the same or very similar camera angle to McB.

It is this latter assumption that makes the "entirely absolutely
eternally...alone..." so difficult to accept, but presumably what is taken as evidence of an 'other' is nothing more that sounds and sights in this camera angle assumed to be another separate from 'me'.

Could you please explore this for us?

Love
McB
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael wrote:
emptyprincipal wrote:
Have you ever reached down for a sip of a beverage

like Ice Tea and forgot you really had coke ?

And experienced a sort of mind blooper ?

Thats all belief amounts to...

anticipation and expectation


am I drinking Iced Coffee?

it smells like Iced Coffee
it tastes like Iced Coffee
it feels cool like Iced Coffee
it looks like Iced Coffee
the slurp and clink of the ice as I drink it sounds like Iced Coffee...
and I know it is made with ground Coffee beans and milk and ice

I do believe it is 'Iced Coffee'...

of course, it is not 'really' 'Iced Coffee'...

it just seems that it is this instant...

as the odours, flavours, feelings, colours and sounds arise in concord with the meaning: ‘Iced Coffee’.

this 'meaning' is not 'thought'... it is instantly known

yet…

how should ‘I’ drink ‘odour’ or ‘flavour’ or ‘feelings’ or ‘colour’ or ‘sound’ or ‘meaning’…

as I cannot drink the images and flavours and other sensations and meaning that appear to be 'me drinking Iced Coffee' in a nightly dream ...

so 'in reality' there is neither 'me', nor 'Iced Coffee' nor 'drinking'...

just the belief that there is...

combined with certain sensations...

appearing ‘instantly’...

and instantly disappearing...

this 'belief' is not like a 'human belief'...
this belief is known without error...

it is ‘believing’ these sensations are 'things' and ‘activities’... when they are not

such is the wonder of this illusion…

all the while…

awakening wrote:
There is only This!
But nothing wrong
with a bit
of make believe...


Love


Yowzers!!!

Great post Michael.

At least, I think it's a post...
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

McB wrote:
Michael wrote:
and this instant
there are no other perspectives being experienced
just this...

awareness is not Many
is not divided...

all other possible perspectives are not experienced


Michael wrote:
this that reads
is alone...

entirely
absolutely
eternally...

alone...

Michael, A few observations/questions on this topic that you express so clearly.

The above express a self-evident truth that virtually 'anyone' can simply see as only ever being the case. The perspective or camera angle McB never knows itself as the perspective or camera angle Michael or Fox, simply because that is a different camera angle and hence no longer McB. So the absolute alone-ness is self-evident.

However, a couple of factors seem to go against this total alone-ness and perhaps make it harder to see.

Firstly, is the belief that 'I' am a separate body with a mind in a big external world.
Secondly, is the illusion of the passing of time, past, present and a future.
And thirdly, there is the apparent evidence of 'other' bodies, who by the way they express themselves give rise to the assumption that they are simultaneously experiencing the same or very similar camera angle to McB.

It is this latter assumption that makes the "entirely absolutely
eternally...alone..." so difficult to accept, but presumably what is taken as evidence of an 'other' is nothing more that sounds and sights in this camera angle assumed to be another separate from 'me'.

Could you please explore this for us?

Love
McB



He can explore it till the cows come home.

But unless you see it yourself, then all the exploration will be for it's own sake.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 7:41 pm    Post subject: michael Reply with quote

McB wrote:
Michael wrote:
and this instant
there are no other perspectives being experienced
just this...

awareness is not Many
is not divided...

all other possible perspectives are not experienced


Michael wrote:
this that reads
is alone...

entirely
absolutely
eternally...

alone...

Michael, A few observations/questions on this topic that you express so clearly.

The above express a self-evident truth that virtually 'anyone' can simply see as only ever being the case. The perspective or camera angle McB never knows itself as the perspective or camera angle Michael or Fox, simply because that is a different camera angle and hence no longer McB. So the absolute alone-ness is self-evident.

However, a couple of factors seem to go against this total alone-ness and perhaps make it harder to see.

Firstly, is the belief that 'I' am a separate body with a mind in a big external world.
Secondly, is the illusion of the passing of time, past, present and a future.
And thirdly, there is the apparent evidence of 'other' bodies, who by the way they express themselves give rise to the assumption that they are simultaneously experiencing the same or very similar camera angle to McB.

It is this latter assumption that makes the "entirely absolutely
eternally...alone..." so difficult to accept, but presumably what is taken as evidence of an 'other' is nothing more that sounds and sights in this camera angle assumed to be another separate from 'me'.

Could you please explore this for us?

Love
McB


hmmm I think I should call you 'dorothy'...
not because you are visiting in Oz...

but because this question has the faint odour...
of being a 'dixer'.... big grin

in a nightly dream, every person seen that seems to be 'alive'...
"seems to be alive"...

just as they do in the apparent waking state.

a 'nightly dream' is no different in 'substance' to any other experiencing...

all experiencing is 'composed' of the same 'dream stuff':
colours, odours, flavours, feelings, sounds and meaning...

the only difference

(which is not a 'fundamental' necessity) is the 'choice' to experience 'life' from each and every perspective in this world story...

so that in a sense, every person 'I meet' is conscious... by this same consciousness

even though the people that I see are no less 'phantoms' than in a nightly dream...

yet as it seems 'I as michael write these words', so it seems 'I as McB read them'...

these two experiences cannot appear 'at the same time'...

as the one appears, the other is not...
for it is the one seeing that sees each experience 'in turn'

however, as there is no time 'between' these two experiences, it is 'as if' 'michael' and 'McB' are alive 'at the same time'...

so 'I write as michael' knowing that 'I read as McB' (and who ever else seems to read these words)...

but I also get the feeling that 'I as McB already know this too' and has simply asked in order that this answer may arise in reply....big grin

this 'aloneness' is not difficult to accept from any perspective... it is impossible to accept...

whilesoever ideas of 'multiplicity of consciousnesses' arise...

while the idea or thought arises that there is a 'separate body over there with its own bit of consciousness' (albeit composed of the same 'one stuff' as 'me')... that is the experience.

of course this view is simply another 'perspective' on life...

it is experienced by 'choice'...

awakening wrote:
There is only This!
But nothing wrong
with a bit
of make believe...


Love
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard or read something along these lines the other day, it went something like this...

'Your' consciousness is only an appearance in 'my' consciousness.

Which would seem to imply that there is only ever one consciousness 'at a time'. If that helps....

On another matter, I still find 'choice' uncomfortable. (I don't know why Think )

michael wrote:
it is experienced by 'choice'...


I tend to come at it from the other way by saying that the experience is 'accepted'.

Is that the same or am I barking up the wrong tree? Confused
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