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makara



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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 6:27 am    Post subject: This can be pretty scary Reply with quote

Recalling cimages
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WHO THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE!

Have been reading about elephants and all sorts of other stuff and suddenly realised that such writing can be damn scary to one who is not a fully paid up member.
And since there was really nothing to say to any of the 4 new posts in today's inbox thought a bit of exploration of basics might be ok for makara and other visitors.

What does makara know?
Only 1 thing for sure and that is that:-
ego/persona is a mental construct and not who he really is.

Beyond that there is an article of faith which is:
There is only One Being in the universe.
However he does not know this for sure .. or rather, doesn't know how he knows this so calls it belief or faith.

Beyond this he knows nothing (beyond data stored in memory and since all of that is suspect it's left out of this discussion).

So when makara, representing potential members of the This Is It club, reads the oft repeated phrases -which you all know well -
he is put in contact with his own resistance.
It may take the form: "but how does this one know this?"
"is this knowing or believing?"
"sounds like jargon, if it's known/understood why not put it in yr own words?"
"says who? some teacher? reason? faith? habit? indoctrination (by the Advaita police?)

makara doesn' t want to subscribe to a new catechism, or credo mindlessly. Maybe God is Krishna, Shiva and Brahmin; or Father Son and Holy Ghost; or Aphrodite, Apollo,Ares,Artemis, Athena, Demeter,Eros,Hades,Hephaestus,Hera, Hercules,Hermes,Hestia,Medusa,Pan,Pandora,Pegasus, Persephone, Poseidon &Zeus; or Hewey, Dewey & Louey. Or the Celtic pantheon (far too long to list) etc.....

So for those of us who oft dwell (through habit, ignorance, or whatever) in the so called 'dreamworld'
(which 95% of the world population call the 'real world')
can you get down to your most fundamental bit of knowing and share it here. Also how or why you know it?
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p.s. makara's world is falling to bits and as many have pointed out it is not a nice place when ego struggles to survive ... it's the pits and he's being driven to fundamentals so this question is not frivolous.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:26 am    Post subject: Re: This can be pretty scary Reply with quote

makara wrote:
What does makara know?
Only 1 thing for sure and that is that:-
ego/persona is a mental construct and not who he really is.


does makara know this... or is 'makara' part of the known?

seeing colour plainly 'is'... now... is this 'seeing/colour' mediated by any thought or idea... or is it simply a 'bare fact'... and thus not a 'matter of belief'?

and what of the other 'senses/sensations'?

and what of 'number' 'form' and 'meaning'... are these not 'known'?

thinking there are any other 'consciousnesses' 'out there'.. well that is just another 'thought'... another 'belief'...

'fraid... this is all there is... and 'This' is no 'thing' at all... smile

for this capacity to see cannot be seen (except as 'colour')... and this capacity to hear cannot be heard (except as 'sound')... and this capacity to feel cannot be felt (except as 'feelings')... and this capacity to smelled cannot be smelled (except as 'odour') and this capacity to taste cannot be tasted (except as flavour)... nor can this capacity to know ever be known (except as idea)...

invisible, intangible, inaudible, without perfume or flavour... unknowable... am I... who read these very words... creating their appearance now...

speaking 'metaphorically'... I am author and reader both... and the book as well...

yet I am no 'thing' at all... inconceivable am I...

I seem to be makara... only as the sensations and ideas arise to 'paint' 'images of the world' and 'thoughts' and 'feelings' that make it appear 'I am makara, experiencing the world from his perspective'...

there is no 'being' in the universe... except 'imaginary beings'...

every 'thing'... including 'makara' and all the 'people' posting on this forum... indeed, the whole universe... is a matter of 'belief'...

I am 'non-being' seeming to 'be'...

I am Life itself... eternal and unchanging...

pretty amazing huh!

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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does makara know this

Yes, as this can be deduced rationally. Also this (ego/persona) can, with effort, be changed thus it is not unchanging.

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indeed, the whole universe... is a matter of 'belief'...

Then right now makara is done for!
If the ALL expresses as each entity then at some stage IT being intelligence itself, must desire to communicate as IT will be aware of the fragility of belief.

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seeing colour plainly 'is'... now
Seeing colour is a complex phenomena. Why is an orange seen as the same colour outside in sunlight and inside under fluorescent light? (one long, one short wave length so the orange ought to be seen differently but isn't). (Come in Sara - Sarexplaining)

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'number...
Maths, like chess is a human invention/construction.

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'fraid... this is all there is.
Shouldn't this read:
I believe this is all there is?

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there is no 'being' in the universe.

This needs evidence - as makara sees it the evidence all points to there being an uncaused cause, a primal point, a source of all there is & since the elegance of the universe indicates ongoing intelligence there must, ipso facto, be a Being (herein this forum called the ONE)

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I am Life itself
Is just another way of saying I am Being Itself.

Michael when you really explore is there really, trully nothing known?
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"can you get down to your most fundamental bit of knowing and share it here. Also how or why you know it?"

I AM.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you brianpeter.

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Also how or why you know it?"

What if I AM a figure in someone's (God's?) dream?
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Oh BTW while I'm back - another thing I know is that everything experienced is inside the brain. There are no 'things out there'.


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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Makara

I really hear your wanting to know or get "this". That yearning is really understandable. However, unfortunately, you can never know or get "this".
Its when that wanting or yearning somehow comes to an end or stops, then it may be seen. However, unfortunately again!, you can't do this either because that's the same thing. It's total paradox and maddening!!
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Ma-ka-ra tanzt winken




Have a nice now_here_day....

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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear everyone here, just now Homer.

What Homer says is true. Damn it! - all that is also know.
My world view is crumbling.
Circumstances are quite dire.
The apparent world is coming down on 'me' demanding response and were I to talk about Being/Oneness ... i'd be locked up.
So ... this game of trying ... asking ... has to be played out.
Yes
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It's total paradox and maddening!!

What else can I do?

Is it just my emotional hanging on which keeps reminding me of that great Christian promise "knock and it shall be opened, ask and you shall receive..." ?

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thanks Anna ... love the dog!


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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how can I not know it? It certainly can't be denied.

"[i]What if I AM a figure in someone's (God's?) dream?[/i"

Well if you are, you are also the dreamer. There is no speculation here about what or why I AM - or what or why THIS IS if you like. All I know - more to the point, all I CAN know, is that I AM. The rest is mind wanting to feel in charge as usual.
That I AM is the end of it. It's all you me or anyone can absolutely and undeniably know.
All this mental activity is mesmeric and endless. Leave it alone - aren't you still here?
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Makara

I don't know!!! A suggestion for what it's worth(probably next to useless!):
There is an emotional yearning, stay with that; let that be totally there; that's what's happening. Don't try to solve it by looking for something else to get away from it.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All this mental activity is mesmeric and endless.

Too true!
But so many will come here who still have to let it play out ... let them know that it's hell in the process of letting go. Fear arises (and is the main prompt leading me to make this post - even though something knows that fear is also in the mind - I can't pull it out and show it to anyone).

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aren't you still here?

There is some sort of sentient awareness here Homer. Not sure what or who it is anymore.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

""There is some sort of sentient awareness here Homer. Not sure what or who it is anymore""

There is awareness. Everything appears in awareness. Ideas about who or what or anything else appear in awareness. That awareness is what you are. EVERYTHING thought about this appears because you already ARE. That you ARE, is the fact. Believe it or not - this fact is the very thing you believe is missing and can be found in the mind!

Get why it can't be got.
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here there tears ... an overwhelming sense of love ...
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found in the mind

Getting beyond this mind just cannot be ordered it seems.
It seems to require such silence then a wait for ...grace?
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

makara wrote:
Here there tears ... an overwhelming sense of love ...
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found in the mind

Getting beyond this mind just cannot be ordered it seems.
It seems to require such silence then a wait for ...grace?



Just the waiting........for what?............who would "know"?
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PostPosted: Sun May 16, 2010 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nothing is required. You already ARE. BEING is happening.
The content of mind arises on its own. No one is doing it. That's its function. The "I" is a thought story, that's all. Will what you ARE still BE if that story is no longer believed in?
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