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aquarius



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Aversion and affinity keep the flux of life and death in the universe perpetual.






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The nightengale sing his heart out for his beloved the Rose,
who displays her charms only in the presence of her beloved the Sun.

no gosgiquarterly.org/feature2008Jan-4.html


I'm in Love with the whole world, for the whole world belongs to my beloved. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aquarius wrote:
Phoenix wrote:



Aversion and affinity keep the flux of life and death in the universe perpetual.






Quote:
The nightengale sing his heart out for his beloved the Rose,
who displays her charms only in the presence of her beloved the Sun.

no gosgiquarterly.org/feature2008Jan-4.html


I'm in Love with the whole world, for the whole world belongs to my beloved. Wink




I like everything.......except maybe......naked mole rats.

Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
aquarius wrote:
CERN:
Antimatter detectives

The antimatter is missing – not from CERN, but from the Universe! At least that is what we can deduce so far from careful examination of the evidence. Matter and antimatter have the same mass, but opposite electric charge. For each basic particle of matter, there exists an antiparticle; for example, the negatively charged electron has a positively charged antiparticle called the positron. When a particle and its antiparticle come together, at the blink of an eye they both disappear in a flash as the annihilation process transforms their mass into energy.

The evidence spoke for itself

The ‘case file’ of antimatter was opened in 1928 by physicist Paul Dirac. He developed a theory that combined quantum mechanics and Einstein’s special relativity to provide a more full description of electron interactions. The basic equation he derived turned out to have two solutions, one for the electron and one that seemed to describe something with positive charge (in fact, it was the positron). Then in 1932 the evidence was found to prove these ideas correct, when the positron was discovered occurring naturally in cosmic rays.

For the past 50 years and more, laboratories like CERN have routinely produced antiparticles, and in 1995 CERN became the first laboratory to create anti-atoms artificially. But no one has ever produced antimatter without obtaining the corresponding matter particles also. The scenario must have been the same during the birth of the Universe, when equal amounts of matter and antimatter must have been produced in the Big Bang.

“Just one more thing…”

So if matter and antimatter annihilate, and we and everything else are made of matter, why do we still exist? This mystery arises because we find ourselves living in a Universe made exclusively of matter. Didn't matter and antimatter completely annihilate at the time of the Big Bang? Perhaps this antimatter still exists somewhere else? Otherwise where did it go and what happened to it in the first place?

Such questions have led to speculative theories, from a break in the rules to the existence of an entire anti-Universe somewhere else! The way to solve the baffling disappearance of antimatter, and to learn more about this substance in general, is by studying both particles and antiparticles to find and decipher the subtle clues. The mystery demands teams of ‘scientific Sherlock Holmeses’ to conduct thorough detective work, to uncover a logic that is ultimately “elementary”.


no goyoutube.com/watch?v=gJmBgnHsJ-A Model of a Macrocosm
no goyoutube.com/watch?v=hwyuQbIb0Xs A Model of a Microcosm

"Like two golden birdperched in the self-same Tree
the ego and the True-Self, intimate friends and inseperable.

The former partakes of the sweet and the bitter
fruits of The-of-Life, while the latter looks on
in Detachment.




The ego and the true
self are one

like a shadow and the sun.

"True Self, comes-into-being at the time of conception of the material self.
It resides in our dna until we exit the cave.
It Life force not completely awakened , vivifies, motivates and sustains the mind/body organism, until, during and after birth into this trealm.
Parent to unbron embryo... You need to grow arms and legs for walking, eyes for seeing, ears for hearing, a nose to smell with and a toungue for taste, fingers for touching.
If you don't develope them here, you will be born with a handicap in the world to come.
Embryo to parent. "What do I need all that for?
There's plenty here to eat, no place to go, nothing to see, hear, smell taste or touch.
Why should I believe you.
I don' need or want all that stuff.
I'm ok just as things are.
Theres no other world and you don'texist either.

Sound familiar?

Body without life-force is dead.
Life-force without body is lame.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
Phoenix wrote:



Aversion and affinity keep the flux of life and death in the universe perpetual.






Quote:
The nightengale sing his heart out for his beloved the Rose,
who displays her charms only in the presence of her beloved the Sun.

no gosgiquarterly.org/feature2008Jan-4.html


I'm in Love with the whole world, for the whole world belongs to my beloved. Wink




I like everything.......except maybe......naked mole rats.

Rolling Eyes


Artists expression... very cool Aquarius.

"Yea, Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me."


Namaste`
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
Phoenix wrote:



Aversion and affinity keep the flux of life and death in the universe perpetual.






Quote:
The nightengale sing his heart out for his beloved the Rose,
who displays her charms only in the presence of her beloved the Sun.

no gosgiquarterly.org/feature2008Jan-4.html


I'm in Love with the whole world, for the whole world belongs to my beloved. Wink




I like everything.......except maybe......naked mole rats.

Rolling Eyes


Artists expression... very cool Aquarius.

"Yea, Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me."


Namaste`







If you believe in evil.........it will be back.



Shocked
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Phoenix



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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
Phoenix wrote:



Aversion and affinity keep the flux of life and death in the universe perpetual.






Quote:
The nightengale sing his heart out for his beloved the Rose,
who displays her charms only in the presence of her beloved the Sun.

no gosgiquarterly.org/feature2008Jan-4.html


I'm in Love with the whole world, for the whole world belongs to my beloved. Wink




I like everything.......except maybe......naked mole rats.

Rolling Eyes


Artists expression... very cool Aquarius.

"Yea, Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me."


Namaste`







If you believe in evil.........it will be back.



Shocked

F alse
E vidence
Appearing
R eal

"I no fear evil."


no gompnhome.net/psalms/psalm23.htm

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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
toombaru wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
Phoenix wrote:



Aversion and affinity keep the flux of life and death in the universe perpetual.






Quote:
The nightengale sing his heart out for his beloved the Rose,
who displays her charms only in the presence of her beloved the Sun.

no gosgiquarterly.org/feature2008Jan-4.html


I'm in Love with the whole world, for the whole world belongs to my beloved. Wink




I like everything.......except maybe......naked mole rats.

Rolling Eyes


Artists expression... very cool Aquarius.

"Yea, Though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil, for Thou art with me."


Namaste`







If you believe in evil.........it will be back.



Shocked

F alse
E vidence
Appearing
R eal

"I no fear evil."


no gompnhome.net/psalms/psalm23.htm





If you believe in evil......you will fear it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 19, 2010 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

notice that all the words spoken about 'matter' are just 'ideas'...

no physicist believes that their equations are 'matter'... they refer to them as 'idealizations' (ideas)...

the equations of 'physics' are based in 'number'... they express only numerical relations between 'things' (particles)... again no 'physicist' regards the 'particles' they study as 'actual things' these too are recognised as 'idealizations'... the 'form' of these 'particles' are expressed as having certain 'numerical' attributes: 'mass' and 'spin' and 'colour'... these are just 'names'... they are not 'the reality'... all are 'ideas'...

'science' apparently 'works' because the equations express behaviour of apparent objects' observed on apparent apparatus...

apparent in awareness (as I seem to a scientist looking at his or her apparatus...

all that are seen is these coloured patterns which (as noted in a previous post)... even science says are 'immaterial'!!!

it is like (though not 'like' at all) a person looking at a computer screen and working out the numerical dimensions and relations between the apparent objects on the screen...

in the example just cited, the equations apparently 'work' because the appearances on the computer screen are generated according to 'numerical rules'...

this much can be said about the 'observed universe'... that (given the numerical equations of science mimic the attributes and behaviour of all apparent 'forms')... at base... it is founded in 'number'...

there is a saying amongst some physicists that 'number' is the language of God... smile

number' is a pure idea...

beyond this nothing can be said...

all the rest that is 'meaningful' about the universe... is based on other 'ideas'... that this shape is a 'tree' and that shape a 'person'... all 'ideas'...

without any 'idea' of 'what' a 'thing' 'is'... it is seen as 'nothing at all'... or the general idea of 'thing' is applied to the form...

trying to imply 'substance' or taking the equations as representing anything at all about what 'gives rise to the appearances'... about the nature of 'fundamental reality'... is like ('though not 'like' at all) someone claiming they can determine the 'workings' of a computer by looking at the images on the screen...

Love
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael wrote:
notice that all the words spoken about 'matter' are just 'ideas'...

no physicist believes that their equations are 'matter'... they refer to them as 'idealizations' (ideas)...

the equations of 'physics' are based in 'number'... they express only numerical relations between 'things' (particles)... again no 'physicist' regards the 'particles' they study as 'actual things' these too are recognised as 'idealizations'... the 'form' of these 'particles' are expressed as having certain 'numerical' attributes: 'mass' and 'spin' and 'colour'... these are just 'names'... they are not 'the reality'... all are 'ideas'...

'science' apparently 'works' because the equations express behaviour of apparent objects' observed on apparent apparatus...

apparent in awareness (as I seem to a scientist looking at his or her apparatus...

all that are seen is these coloured patterns which (as noted in a previous post)... even science says are 'immaterial'!!!

it is like (though not 'like' at all) a person looking at a computer screen and working out the numerical dimensions and relations between the apparent objects on the screen...

in the example just cited, the equations apparently 'work' because the appearances on the computer screen are generated according to 'numerical rules'...

this much can be said about the 'observed universe'... that (given the numerical equations of science mimic the attributes and behaviour of all apparent 'forms')... at base... it is founded in 'number'...

there is a saying amongst some physicists that 'number' is the language of God... smile

number' is a pure idea...

beyond this nothing can be said...

all the rest that is 'meaningful' about the universe... is based on other 'ideas'... that this shape is a 'tree' and that shape a 'person'... all 'ideas'...

without any 'idea' of 'what' a 'thing' 'is'... it is seen as 'nothing at all'... or the general idea of 'thing' is applied to the form...

trying to imply 'substance' or taking the equations as representing anything at all about what 'gives rise to the appearances'... about the nature of 'fundamental reality'... is like ('though not 'like' at all) someone claiming they can determine the 'workings' of a computer by looking at the images on the screen...

Love


Really?
no gothepersonaldevelopmentcompany.com/awakening-the-power-of-a-modern-god.html

Thanks Michael.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
michael wrote:
notice that all the words spoken about 'matter' are just 'ideas'...

no physicist believes that their equations are 'matter'... they refer to them as 'idealizations' (ideas)...

the equations of 'physics' are based in 'number'... they express only numerical relations between 'things' (particles)... again no 'physicist' regards the 'particles' they study as 'actual things' these too are recognised as 'idealizations'... the 'form' of these 'particles' are expressed as having certain 'numerical' attributes: 'mass' and 'spin' and 'colour'... these are just 'names'... they are not 'the reality'... all are 'ideas'...

'science' apparently 'works' because the equations express behaviour of apparent objects' observed on apparent apparatus...

apparent in awareness (as I seem to a scientist looking at his or her apparatus...

all that are seen is these coloured patterns which (as noted in a previous post)... even science says are 'immaterial'!!!

it is like (though not 'like' at all) a person looking at a computer screen and working out the numerical dimensions and relations between the apparent objects on the screen...

in the example just cited, the equations apparently 'work' because the appearances on the computer screen are generated according to 'numerical rules'...

this much can be said about the 'observed universe'... that (given the numerical equations of science mimic the attributes and behaviour of all apparent 'forms')... at base... it is founded in 'number'...

there is a saying amongst some physicists that 'number' is the language of God... smile

number' is a pure idea...

beyond this nothing can be said...

all the rest that is 'meaningful' about the universe... is based on other 'ideas'... that this shape is a 'tree' and that shape a 'person'... all 'ideas'...

without any 'idea' of 'what' a 'thing' 'is'... it is seen as 'nothing at all'... or the general idea of 'thing' is applied to the form...

trying to imply 'substance' or taking the equations as representing anything at all about what 'gives rise to the appearances'... about the nature of 'fundamental reality'... is like ('though not 'like' at all) someone claiming they can determine the 'workings' of a computer by looking at the images on the screen...

Love


Really?
no gothepersonaldevelopmentcompany.com/awakening-the-power-of-a-modern-god.html

Thanks Michael.

Namaste`


while the idea of 'things' being 'material'... appears in awareness... that is how it appears...

Love
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