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freefall
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 Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:02 pm Post subject: The problem is me |
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Awhile ago I used to browse a yoga forum (from Erich Schiffman). There was one poster there who just seemed like a know-it-all, had all the answers, quoted all the right texts, seemed really full of himself. People would take him seriously, thanking him for his opinions etc. I couldn't believe others couldn't see his rank ego, his posturing.
Somehow (the grace of god?), I saw that he wasn't a problem at all. The problem was me, literally. Take that "me" out of the picture, and there was no problem with the posts, the forum, none of that. |
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nemo
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| and yet, if you take you out of the pictiure, there is no picture! no posts, no forum nothing. It is you that creates it all. there is no forum, there is no poster, it's all you. |
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cimages
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| nemo wrote: | | and yet, if you take you out of the pictiure, there is no picture! no posts, no forum nothing. It is you that creates it all. there is no forum, there is no poster, it's all you. |
Yet! when the you that is "freefall" & "nemo" is removed from 'the' picture, 'A' picture still remains!
Peace! |
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toombaru
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| cimages wrote: | | nemo wrote: | | and yet, if you take you out of the pictiure, there is no picture! no posts, no forum nothing. It is you that creates it all. there is no forum, there is no poster, it's all you. |
Yet! when the you that is "freefall" & "nemo" is removed from 'the' picture, 'A' picture still remains!
Peace! |
You can never know that.
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cimages
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| toombaru wrote: | | cimages wrote: | | nemo wrote: | | and yet, if you take you out of the pictiure, there is no picture! no posts, no forum nothing. It is you that creates it all. there is no forum, there is no poster, it's all you. |
Yet! when the you that is "freefall" & "nemo" is removed from 'the' picture, 'A' picture still remains!
Peace! |
You can never know that.
toombaru |
This 'you' can never really know anything but yet according to Michael 'you' are all knowing & only pretend not to know. So perhaps 'I' can pretend to know this. Or better still, 'I' will pretend to be totally confused!
Peace! |
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toombaru
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| cimages wrote: | | toombaru wrote: | | cimages wrote: | | nemo wrote: | | and yet, if you take you out of the pictiure, there is no picture! no posts, no forum nothing. It is you that creates it all. there is no forum, there is no poster, it's all you. |
Yet! when the you that is "freefall" & "nemo" is removed from 'the' picture, 'A' picture still remains!
Peace! |
You can never know that.
toombaru |
This 'you' can never really know anything but yet according to Michael 'you' are all knowing & only pretend not to know. So perhaps 'I' can pretend to know this. Or better still, 'I' will pretend to be totally confused!
Peace! |
Only confusion exists downstream from the emergence of I-am.
toombaru |
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fox
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michael
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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| cimages wrote: | | This 'you' can never really know anything but yet according to Michael 'you' are all knowing & only pretend not to know. So perhaps 'I' can pretend to know this. Or better still, 'I' will pretend to be totally confused! |
Hi cimages, yes 'you' knows nothing and that which knows, ever knows.
'Knowing' appears to 'come and go' only as sensations rise and fall to give apparent momentary form to that which is known. Knowing does not change. Sensations alone give the appearance of change.
Don't take 'my' word for it, see for yourself 
Pointing only (  ):
As a word is read ("tree" for instance), meaning is given 'symbolic' form in the 'marks' on the screen. The meaning does not just come into being as the marks appear, nor does the meaning dissolve with the disappearance of the marks. What is true of the 'word' (symbol) is true of the apparent form (the image of the tree that is seen).
In a dream, there really is no tree... only sensations (colours, sounds, feelings, odours and perhaps flavours) that are perceived 'as' a tree.
That which determines the patterns of sensations that arise each moment (to give the image its apparent form), is the same that gives the form its meaning.
It is meaning alone that creates the impression that the momentary pattern of sensations is 'a tree'. This knowing of 'the tree' is instantaneous and rarely expressed in thought. That is, a 'tree' is seen as such, without the thought 'that is a tree'. The overall sense is of 'familiarity' with the scene as a whole wherein 'meaning' is associated with the image.
'Apparent Form' (the perceived image) and 'Meaning' are not the same. The apparent form can appear to be different things at different times (snake/rope) or to be completely without meaning. When meaning is not associated with the image it may be expressed as "What the fuck is that?" 
The whole archetype/idea/concept/meaning that is 'tree' can never change.
No meaning 'stands on its own'. It is meaningful only by reference to all other meaning. All meaning is one... ever unchanging. This is 'knowable'... without doubt.
The knowing ever knows the meaning of all that is knowable. There is no past into which meaning can flow to be forgotten, nor any future in which new meaning can be created.
Conceptually (still pointing ), imagine a vast 'self-contained' network of meaning in which the pathways through the network represent separate 'life histories'. Infinite are these, containing all possibilities.
As colours are inseparable from the seeing, yet not seeing, so that which is known is inseparable from the knowing.
While ever knowing all that is knowable, Knowing knows not itself, nor the nature of its knowing. (The 'pointing' above simply illustrates the vastness and inter-connectedness of all that is. It is not meant to be taken as 'the truth' )
Knowing and Being are One. All that is known, is God's image... it is what God imagines himself to be.
Who writes these words, reads them. There is no writer, only reading... words appearing as they are read.
Who is the reader?
Every attempt to express the 'non' experience of Being is, of necessity, meaningless. Every expression is transcribed in symbols that stand for meaning... and no meaning can ever grasp being, yet...
Here it is!
Clear as mud. 
Love
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cimages
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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| michael wrote: | | cimages wrote: | | This 'you' can never really know anything but yet according to Michael 'you' are all knowing & only pretend not to know. So perhaps 'I' can pretend to know this. Or better still, 'I' will pretend to be totally confused! |
Hi cimages, yes 'you' knows nothing and that which knows, ever knows.
'Knowing' appears to 'come and go' only as sensations rise and fall to give apparent momentary form to that which is known. Knowing does not change. Sensations alone give the appearance of change.
Pointing only ( ):
As a word is read ("tree" for instance), meaning is given 'symbolic' form in the 'marks' on the screen. The meaning does not just come into being as the marks appear, nor does the meaning dissolve with the disappearance of the marks. What is true of the 'word' (symbol) is true of the apparent form (the image of the tree that is seen).
In a dream, there really is no tree... only sensations (colours, sounds, feelings, odours and perhaps flavours) that are perceived 'as' a tree.
The whole archetype/idea/concept/meaning that is 'tree' can never change.
No meaning 'stands on its own'. It is meaningful only by reference to all other meaning. All meaning is one... ever unchanging. This is 'knowable'... without doubt.
The knowing ever knows the meaning of all that is knowable. There is no past into which meaning can flow to be forgotten, nor any future in which new meaning can be created.
Conceptually (still pointing ), imagine a vast 'self-contained' network of meaning in which the pathways through the network represent separate 'life histories'. Infinite are these, containing all possibilities.
As colours are inseparable from the seeing, yet not seeing, so that which is known is inseparable from the knowing.
While ever knowing all that is knowable, Knowing knows not itself, nor the nature of its knowing. (The 'pointing' above simply illustrates the vastness and inter-connectedness of all that is. It is not meant to be taken as 'the truth' )
Knowing and Being are One. All that is known, is God's image... it is what God imagines himself to be.
Who writes these words, reads them. There is no writer, only reading... words appearing as they are read.
Who is the reader?
Every attempt to express the 'non' experience of Being is, of necessity, meaningless. Every expression is transcribed in symbols that stand for meaning... and no meaning can ever grasp being, yet...
Here it is!
Clear as mud.
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You know, I think I will just enjoy being while the feeling last & let those that know that they know continue to know that which I think I know but I don't know & tend to my foolish thoughs of not knowing & pretend that I know that which I can't pretend not to know! 
IT'S ALL GOOD!
Peace!....And Happy Holidays! |
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michael
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