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Blossom



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, The One Mind does indeed express as the appearances of many---

This is It---This tangible world is the evidence of One Unseen Light--

Not sure if you were backing me up or were you presenting an opposing point of view?

We are the world we walk through---It cannot be one or the other--- The world is a reflection of 'within'---

You be it, you see it---
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
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Ayn Rand seems to have catapulted him

Say no more ... I'll leave mr.Hornberger to his own devices.

(Having ploughed through Ayn Rand's work I could not separate it
from her pre- Revolutionary and Octo17th and aftermath, experiences.
Particularly the removal of her Jewish father from
his pharmacy.

The only ideas she has which (imho) are worth looking
at is her theory on sex.

I can understand why the righty right wing and captains of industry
would put her on a pedestal ... she justifies their greed with a form
of hero creation.
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because there are no closed systems.

What about a cold cup of coffee?

Oh dear ... I see I've fallen into the trap ...
of having opinions. Oh mea culpa ... a cold shower
as my penance. This business of being 'no thing' yet
having to continue 'person-ing' is tricky isn't it?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:38 am    Post subject: Re: Objectivity Reply with quote

makara wrote:
Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.


makara wrote:
" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.


The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.
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ANNA



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Objectivity Reply with quote

dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:
Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.


makara wrote:
" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.


The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.



...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes Shocked


Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blossom wrote:
Yes, The One Mind does indeed express as the appearances of many---

This is It---This tangible world is the evidence of One Unseen Light--

Not sure if you were backing me up or were you presenting an opposing point of view?

We are the world we walk through---It cannot be one or the other--- The world is a reflection of 'within'---

You be it, you see it---


Non-duality isn't a point of view, only appears so.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Objectivity Reply with quote

ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:
Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.


makara wrote:
" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.


The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.



...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes Shocked


Wink Laughing


Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.
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ANNA



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Objectivity Reply with quote

dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:
Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.


makara wrote:
" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.


The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.



...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes Shocked


Wink Laughing


Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.



..hmmmmmm


then who is the 'maker' of the image

and who's this that knows this 'something'

which is and which'sn't an image.... Rolling Eyes Question


Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:59 am    Post subject: Re: Objectivity Reply with quote

ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:
Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.


makara wrote:
" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.


The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.



...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes Shocked


Wink Laughing


Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.



..hmmmmmm


then who is the 'maker' of the image

and who's this that knows this 'something'

which is and which'sn't an image.... Rolling Eyes Question


Wink Laughing


Everything is as it is.

How or what or when or who or why or where it is, that is imagination...

...real imagination.
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ANNA



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: Objectivity Reply with quote

dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:
Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.


makara wrote:
" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.


The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.



...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes Shocked


Wink Laughing


Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.



..hmmmmmm


then who is the 'maker' of the image

and who's this that knows this 'something'

which is and which'sn't an image.... Rolling Eyes Question


Wink Laughing


Everything is as it is.

How or what or when or who or why or where it is, that is imagination...

...real imagination.



..hey, let's just enjoy

the absurdism of sometimes

our absurd ideas and concepts,

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol


Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol

Laughing
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Spot the difference:
Quote:
Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion

Quote:
Objectivity is a subject' s delusion


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: Objectivity Reply with quote

ANNA wrote:


..hey, let's just enjoy

the absurdism of sometimes

our absurd ideas and concepts,

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol


Wink Laughing



Calling a cow a cow doesn't mean you can't enjoy a cow...

Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:19 am    Post subject: Re: Objectivity Reply with quote

dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:


..hey, let's just enjoy

the absurdism of sometimes

our absurd ideas and concepts,

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol


Wink Laughing



Calling a cow a cow doesn't mean you can't enjoy a cow...

Laughing


..........MU...........MU.................MU...............






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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Laughing Laughing

There's an expression here:

"when you find yrself in a hole,
stop digging!"
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

makara wrote:
Laughing Laughing Laughing

There's an expression here:

"when you find yrself in a hole,
stop digging!"


you just find yourself
free falling in a hole
you can't stop
it happens
by itself
............

including
digging and.........


......................SHIT!


Razz Wink Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MU MU MMMMMUUUUUUUU!
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