awakeningtothedream.com :: View topic

awakeningtothedream.com
Non Duality: The one question to all our answers.

FAQ

Memberlist

Usergroups

Profile

Objectivity
Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next

awakeningtothedream.com Forum Index -> Awakening to the Dream

View previous topic :: View next topic

Author

Message

Blossom

Joined: 16 Apr 2010
Posts: 99
Location: Ojai, California

Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject:

Yes, The One Mind does indeed express as the appearances of many--- This is It---This tangible world is the evidence of One Unseen Light-- Not sure if you were backing me up or were you presenting an opposing point of view? We are the world we walk through---It cannot be one or the other--- The world is a reflection of 'within'--- You be it, you see it--- _________________ What is bound on earth is bound in heaven and what is freed on earth is freed in heaven.

makara

Joined: 10 Apr 2010
Posts: 1341
Location: By the ocean, ready for the big one.

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:15 am Post subject:

Quote:

If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
____________________

Quote:

Ayn Rand seems to have catapulted him

Say no more ... I'll leave mr.Hornberger to his own devices.

(Having ploughed through Ayn Rand's work I could not separate it
from her pre- Revolutionary and Octo17th and aftermath, experiences.
Particularly the removal of her Jewish father from
his pharmacy.

The only ideas she has which (imho) are worth looking
at is her theory on sex.

I can understand why the righty right wing and captains of industry
would put her on a pedestal ... she justifies their greed with a form
of hero creation.
________________

Quote:

because there are no closed systems.

What about a cold cup of coffee?

Oh dear ... I see I've fallen into the trap ...
of having opinions. Oh mea culpa ... a cold shower
as my penance. This business of being 'no thing' yet
having to continue 'person-ing' is tricky isn't it?

dilaram
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:38 am Post subject: Re: Objectivity

makara wrote:

Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.

makara wrote:

" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.

The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.

ANNA

Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 4093

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Objectivity

dilaram wrote:

makara wrote:

...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes

dilaram
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:47 am Post subject:

Blossom wrote:

Yes, The One Mind does indeed express as the appearances of many---

This is It---This tangible world is the evidence of One Unseen Light--

Not sure if you were backing me up or were you presenting an opposing point of view?

We are the world we walk through---It cannot be one or the other--- The world is a reflection of 'within'---

You be it, you see it---

Non-duality isn't a point of view, only appears so.

dilaram
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:51 am Post subject: Re: Objectivity

ANNA wrote:

dilaram wrote:

makara wrote:

...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes

Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.

ANNA

Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 4093

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Objectivity

dilaram wrote:

ANNA wrote:

dilaram wrote:

makara wrote:

...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes

Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.

..hmmmmmm

then who is the 'maker' of the image

and who's this that knows this 'something'

which is and which'sn't an image.... Rolling Eyes

dilaram
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: Re: Objectivity

ANNA wrote:

dilaram wrote:

ANNA wrote:

dilaram wrote:

makara wrote:

...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes

Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.

..hmmmmmm

then who is the 'maker' of the image

and who's this that knows this 'something'

which is and which'sn't an image.... Rolling Eyes

Everything is as it is.

How or what or when or who or why or where it is, that is imagination...

...real imagination.

ANNA

Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 4093

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:04 am Post subject: Re: Objectivity

dilaram wrote:

ANNA wrote:

dilaram wrote:

ANNA wrote:

dilaram wrote:

makara wrote:

...then what is imagination...? Rolling Eyes

Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.

..hmmmmmm

then who is the 'maker' of the image

and who's this that knows this 'something'

which is and which'sn't an image.... Rolling Eyes

Everything is as it is.

How or what or when or who or why or where it is, that is imagination...

...real imagination.

..hey, let's just enjoy

the absurdism of sometimes

our absurd ideas and concepts,

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol

Wink

makara

Joined: 10 Apr 2010
Posts: 1341
Location: By the ocean, ready for the big one.

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:10 am Post subject:

Quote:

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol

______________________

Spot the difference:

Quote:

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion

Quote:

Objectivity is a subject' s delusion

dilaram
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: Re: Objectivity

ANNA wrote:

..hey, let's just enjoy

the absurdism of sometimes

our absurd ideas and concepts,

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol

Wink

Calling a cow a cow doesn't mean you can't enjoy a cow...

Laughing

ANNA

Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 4093

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:19 am Post subject: Re: Objectivity

dilaram wrote:

ANNA wrote:

..hey, let's just enjoy

the absurdism of sometimes

our absurd ideas and concepts,

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol

Wink

Calling a cow a cow doesn't mean you can't enjoy a cow...

Laughing

..........MU...........MU.................MU...............

makara

Joined: 10 Apr 2010
Posts: 1341
Location: By the ocean, ready for the big one.

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:27 am Post subject:

There's an expression here: "when you find yrself in a hole, stop digging!"

ANNA

Joined: 16 Oct 2004
Posts: 4093

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:31 am Post subject:

makara wrote:

There's an expression here:

"when you find yrself in a hole,
stop digging!"

you just find yourself
free falling in a hole
you can't stop
it happens
by itself
............

including
digging and.........

......................SHIT!

Razz

makara

Joined: 10 Apr 2010
Posts: 1341
Location: By the ocean, ready for the big one.

Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:37 am Post subject:

MU MU MMMMMUUUUUUUU!

Display posts from previous:

	awakeningtothedream.com Forum Index -> Awakening to the Dream	All times are GMT Goto page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4 Next
Page 2 of 4

You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum