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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:
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So 'non-duality' is not a viewpoint but it appears as such.

Perhaps this is dead right.
Perhaps it is sophistry.
I really don't know.




This is dead right, dead wrong, sophistry, stupidity...you name it...



...some even say its an escapism.......


Wink Laughing



JUST A THOUGHT


This has nothing to do with effort.

This has nothing to do with understanding.

Nothing to do with process,
nothing to do with praxis.

Nothing to do with lack of process or praxis.

This is not about seeing anything new,
or getting rid of anything old.

This is not something the mind could ever grasp.
Nor does the mind need to give up its grasping.

This is nothing personal,
nor does it have anything to do with the "impersonal".

This is not about choiceless awareness,
or seeing through the ego, or self-enquiry.

This cannot be expressed using concepts.
Nor will it ever be expressed in the absence of concepts.

This is not about words.
Not even these words.

This is not about getting anywhere.

This has nothing to do with any kind of future achievement.

This is not about following a path:
there is no path, although there may be the idea of "a path".

This is not about reaching a higher state:
there are no higher states,
although there may be concepts about "higher states".

This is not about becoming anything,
although beliefs about that may arise too.

This is certainly not about "putting an end to the I".
Only an "I" would want that.

This is most definitely not about "becoming more present" -
the present was never lost in the first place.

This is not about waiting for an event called liberation -
that would require time,
and a "me" who would eventually become liberated.

This has nothing to do with going "beyond" anything -
there is nothing to go beyond,
and nobody who could go beyond
even if they wanted to.

This is not about enlightenment.
There is no such thing as enlightenment.

This is not about awakening.
There is no such thing as awakening.

This is not about enlightened individuals passing on their understanding.
That's a good story, and a compelling one,
but it's just a story, and has no deeper reality.

This is not something that could be of any use to anyone.

This is not something that anyone would ever want.

But no matter -
the "me" who would want this
is just a thought anyway.

Just a thought.


Jeff Foster


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Anna, sublime quote from Jeff.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is not about enlightened individuals passing on their understanding.
That's a good story, and a compelling one,
but it's just a story, and has no deeper reality.


Good one Anna,
thanks.

Interesting aspect of J. Foster's life ... he suffered from
depression. Seems a common symptom to several
well known names including E.Tolle and K.Byron.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

makara wrote:
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Greater' is an appearance/object in awareness.
Awareness cannot be greater,


Thanks Awareness,
that is clear.

It's just that sometimes I wonder if
putting effort into understanding puzzling statements
is worth persuing at all ...
as time goes on there is less thinking here
about anything


Yes Makara,
perusing, not perusing
more or less thinking
it all happens by itself.

And if there is the idea
that I can do/choose this,
then that is what happens by itself.



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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then that is what happens by itself.


Which is just so intriguing
to the mind n'est ce pas?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just re-read that bit of bio on the J.Foster site ...
(s/thing was bugging me about it).
Quote:
Jeff Foster graduated in Astrophysics from Cambridge University in 2001. Several years after graduation, following a period of severe depression and illness, he became addicted to the idea of “spiritual enlightenment”, and embarked on an intensive spiritual search which lasted for several years


Notice anything?
It's only 2010 now ... he graduated in 2001, 9 yrs ago.
Several is generally taken to refer to at least 5 ...

Small stuff I know yet ...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

makara wrote:
Just re-read that bit of bio on the J.Foster site ...
(s/thing was bugging me about it).
Quote:
Jeff Foster graduated in Astrophysics from Cambridge University in 2001. Several years after graduation, following a period of severe depression and illness, he became addicted to the idea of “spiritual enlightenment”, and embarked on an intensive spiritual search which lasted for several years


Notice anything?
It's only 2010 now ... he graduated in 2001, 9 yrs ago.
Several is generally taken to refer to at least 5 ...

Small stuff I know yet ...


jed mckenna says you only need two years
if you get really focused on ending the search
Laughing

then again jed mckenna is fictional
real name patrick sweeny or something like that...

jeff foster
for a while i thought he might be
suffering from the
addictions of the guru

but i'm starting to think he's alright
a good writer
a good modern voice
pointing to

whatever IT is..

hey you gotta do somethin'
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