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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:02 am    Post subject: Advice Reply with quote

"Being" advising "itself":

be in the now,
be joyful,
be grateful,
be good,
be kind,
be yourself,
be loving,
be mindful,
etc, etc...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

better still,

just be...
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bliss Music Weekly Quote: Pure Being



"You can break it down
to two states.

The first state is
identification with thinking.
You believe you are the thinker
of your thoughts
and the subject of your thinking.

You experience this moment
through the interpretation
of the mind.

The second state
is that which precedes
the first.

It is what is here behind the thinking.
You feel yourself existing
not as a person
but as sensation.

Resting as consciousness itself,
resting as pure being.

You can approach meditation
by recognizing these two states.

By remaining as pure being,
letting thoughts go
as they arise,
keeping your attention
resting on the feeling
of existing in this moment.

And when you do get caught up
in thinking
and you lose that connection
to feeling this moment,
you recognize it as a completely
different state.

You experience the difference
between the two states
and learn to let go of thinking again
and come back
into feeling this moment.

What often happens
is once you experience pure being,
the mind defines that experience,
describes and memorizes it to be
a certain way.

And then tricks you into settling
for the memory of pure being,
the knowledge of pure being.

The mind tries to own
pure being
as another experience of the mind
and so pure being is lost.

Because pure being
is that which precedes the mind,
it cannot be owned
and it cannot be experienced
by the intellectual mind.

So in order to rest
as pure being,
you have to let go
of all knowledge
and memory

and feel this moment
as though it is the first time;
completely fresh and new.

You feel this moment
without filtering
it through thought
without relating it to
past experience.

And in this way,
by resting in pure being
without adding anything to it,
this bliss of consciousness
expands and intensifies."

Blessings,

Kip


www.bliss-music.com




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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ANNA wrote:
Bliss Music Weekly Quote: Pure Being



"You can break it down
to two states.

The first state is
identification with thinking.
You believe you are the thinker
of your thoughts
and the subject of your thinking.

You experience this moment
through the interpretation
of the mind.

The second state
is that which precedes
the first.

It is what is here behind the thinking.
You feel yourself existing
not as a person
but as sensation.

Resting as consciousness itself,
resting as pure being.

You can approach meditation
by recognizing these two states.

By remaining as pure being,
letting thoughts go
as they arise,
keeping your attention
resting on the feeling
of existing in this moment.

And when you do get caught up
in thinking
and you lose that connection
to feeling this moment,
you recognize it as a completely
different state.

You experience the difference
between the two states
and learn to let go of thinking again
and come back
into feeling this moment.

What often happens
is once you experience pure being,
the mind defines that experience,
describes and memorizes it to be
a certain way.

And then tricks you into settling
for the memory of pure being,
the knowledge of pure being.

The mind tries to own
pure being
as another experience of the mind
and so pure being is lost.

Because pure being
is that which precedes the mind,
it cannot be owned
and it cannot be experienced
by the intellectual mind.

So in order to rest
as pure being,
you have to let go
of all knowledge
and memory

and feel this moment
as though it is the first time;
completely fresh and new.

You feel this moment
without filtering
it through thought
without relating it to
past experience.

And in this way,
by resting in pure being
without adding anything to it,
this bliss of consciousness
expands and intensifies."

Blessings,

Kip


www.bliss-music.com








The distinction between "pure" and "impure being" itself creates restlessness.

'Pure being' is already 'adding' something to 'being', namely, it's got to be 'pure'.

The bottomline is "being", not 'pure being'.

Everything is being, everything is, even nothing is.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To experience *being*, one rests in it....as.

Nothing else can be said, even that is saying too much.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dilaram wrote:
The distinction between "pure" and "impure being" itself creates restlessness.

'Pure being' is already 'adding' something to 'being', namely, it's got to be 'pure'.

The bottomline is "being", not 'pure being'.

Everything is being, everything is, even nothing is.

Yet it's all pure being. Pure without the possibility of impurity, one without a second. Even with the label 'pure being' no distinction is needed to be made. And even with the label 'being' on itself, one could apparently bring up a distinction: that between 'being' and 'not-being'. Just like you seem to bring forth the apparent dichtonomy of everything and (even!) nothing.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ne0 wrote:
dilaram wrote:
The distinction between "pure" and "impure being" itself creates restlessness.

'Pure being' is already 'adding' something to 'being', namely, it's got to be 'pure'.

The bottomline is "being", not 'pure being'.

Everything is being, everything is, even nothing is.

Yet it's all pure being. Pure without the possibility of impurity, one without a second. Even with the label 'pure being' no distinction is needed to be made. And even with the label 'being' on itself, one could apparently bring up a distinction: that between 'being' and 'not-being'. Just like you seem to bring forth the apparent dichtonomy of everything and (even!) nothing.


'Not-being' is an appearance of 'being'.

'Being' and 'nonduality' are amongst the closest concepts to point to the 'non-conceptual'.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This Nothingness

Earth, mountains, rivers - hidden in this nothingness.
In this nothingness - earth, mountains, rivers revealed.
Spring flowers, winter snows:
There's no being or non-being, nor denial itself.


~ Saisho


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dilaram wrote:
ne0 wrote:
dilaram wrote:
The distinction between "pure" and "impure being" itself creates restlessness.

'Pure being' is already 'adding' something to 'being', namely, it's got to be 'pure'.

The bottomline is "being", not 'pure being'.

Everything is being, everything is, even nothing is.

Yet it's all pure being. Pure without the possibility of impurity, one without a second. Even with the label 'pure being' no distinction is needed to be made. And even with the label 'being' on itself, one could apparently bring up a distinction: that between 'being' and 'not-being'. Just like you seem to bring forth the apparent dichtonomy of everything and (even!) nothing.


'Not-being' is an appearance of 'being'.

'Being' and 'nonduality' are amongst the closest concepts to point to the 'non-conceptual'.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ne0 wrote:
dilaram wrote:
ne0 wrote:
dilaram wrote:
The distinction between "pure" and "impure being" itself creates restlessness.

'Pure being' is already 'adding' something to 'being', namely, it's got to be 'pure'.

The bottomline is "being", not 'pure being'.

Everything is being, everything is, even nothing is.

Yet it's all pure being. Pure without the possibility of impurity, one without a second. Even with the label 'pure being' no distinction is needed to be made. And even with the label 'being' on itself, one could apparently bring up a distinction: that between 'being' and 'not-being'. Just like you seem to bring forth the apparent dichtonomy of everything and (even!) nothing.


'Not-being' is an appearance of 'being'.

'Being' and 'nonduality' are amongst the closest concepts to point to the 'non-conceptual'.

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As thou reviewest the world with thy perfect intelligence and compassion,
it must seem to thee like a dream of which it cannot be said:
it is permanent or it is destructible,
for being and non-being do not apply to it.


Lankavatara Sutra





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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said! ist_skeptisch boeser_blick ist_depressiv upside_down so_ja_nicht geschockt weint_vor_lachen
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Total Being includes a sense of duality and time---we cannot discard the dualistic appearances YET---There is much to learn here in among the appearances, and we are to learn from these Glorious Experience we are given--- Its all about Light and Joy and God --- and we are supposed to 'use' our time here in the world of images to Understand Who We ARE--
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No 'we'. It's all about YOU. And since learning means changing and YOU are always the same, there is nothing to learn. Nothing ever happened. Nothing will ever be learned, or gained, or changed, anyhow.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ne0 wrote:
No 'we'. It's all about YOU. And since learning means changing and YOU are always the same, there is nothing to learn. Nothing ever happened. Nothing will ever be learned, or gained, or changed, anyhow.


Anna wrote:
As thou reviewest the world with thy perfect intelligence and compassion,
it must seem to thee like a dream of which it cannot be said:
it is permanent or it is destructible,
for being and non-being do not apply to it.


Lankavatara Sutra




No you without me, no me without you.

Never claimed the absolute truth.

Always emphasized that everything said is nothing more than a pointer.

The words are not important.

Don't want to prove anything.

There is nothing to prove.

Just here to enjoy myself while playing with words...

like:

Words are crap, but what the heck, Divine crap!

or:

This is dead right, dead wrong, sophistry, stupidity...you name it...


~ Dilaram Sutra




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