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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: Thinking Reply with quote

Thinking is separation.



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is no separation
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
there is no separation




Only one thinking that they were separate......... would say such a thing.



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
there is no separation


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

awakening wrote:
nemo wrote:
there is no separation


:D :D :D :D :D



'Separation' is a concept.

It is as real....or unreal..... as a wave....as a shadow......as a home...
as a god........as a river......as the state of Texas.


It is the holder of concepts....not the concepts themselves..... that should be questioned.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everything understood on this forum is a concept.

'Separation' and 'Oneness'... what these words mean is a concept. No concept can be anything other than a concept and all concepts are 'self referential'. They cannot refer to anything but other concepts.

Do not ask 'me' who knows this. No 'me' can ever say... every 'me' is a concept Very Happy

There are a few words that are not understood which point directly to that which is.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

concepts, symbols, words or what have you

there is still no separation.
never has been
never could be

Thinking, thoughts, concepts, words, symbols of separation
Do not make one separate

Thinking, thoughts, concepts, words, symbols of no separation
Do not make one not separate

discussions of what is separate what is not who is, who isn't

are just discussions of what is separate, what is not, who is, who isn't
nothing more or less

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
nemo wrote:
there is no separation




Only one thinking that they were separate......... would say such a thing.



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OH Surprised Embarassed Rolling Eyes

Woe is Me! I have been sentenced by the powerful lord toombaru.
I am separate, separate, separate (heard to the strains of the wicked witch "i'm melting")

My deepest love and respect to you toombaru,
one of my most entertaining creations.
And, as you are inside my head, as are all, watch where you walk
that first step is a DOOZY

(Big Kiss)

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
concepts, symbols, words or what have you

there is still no separation.
never has been
never could be

Thinking, thoughts, concepts, words, symbols of separation
Do not make one separate

Thinking, thoughts, concepts, words, symbols of no separation
Do not make one not separate

discussions of what is separate what is not who is, who isn't

are just discussions of what is separate, what is not, who is, who isn't
nothing more or less

:P :P :P





Using concepts to understand concepts is like stacking shadows to reach the moon.



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...using shadows to understand shadows is like stacking concepts to reach the sun!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...concepts stacking concepts...

...shadows stacking shadows...

...shadows stacking concepts...

...concepts stacking shadows...

...shadow-stacking concepts...

...concept-stacking shadows...


Laughing Rolling Eyes Laughing


... and I have no idea what's so danged funny... Laughing

... but nevertheless (and thankfully) there are giggles... Laughing Wink



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi folks, what say you about the words:

"seeing/colours"

"hearing/sounds"

"smelling/odours"

"tasting/flavours"

"feeling/feelings"

"knowing/meaning"

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael wrote:
Hi folks, what say you about the words:


Lies, michael... all lies... Wink

... a bunch of playthings, really...

(Not sure if that's the answer you were after. But that's what happens when I read nondual books... nothing from nothing leaves nothing. Rolling Eyes)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi maple3.

Lies you say. Hmmm

Agreed... if one thinks about the words and what they mean.

But as pointers to the fact of seeing feeling hearing smelling tasting and knowing?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
toombaru wrote:
nemo wrote:
there is no separation




Only one thinking that they were separate......... would say such a thing.



toombaru


OH :o :oops: :roll:

Woe is Me! I have been sentenced by the powerful lord toombaru.
I am separate, separate, separate (heard to the strains of the wicked witch "i'm melting")

My deepest love and respect to you toombaru,
one of my most entertaining creations.
And, as you are inside my head, as are all, watch where you walk
that first step is a DOOZY

(Big Kiss)

:P






Every'thing' downstream from the utterance: "I"...............is the dream of separation......beyond which...........nothing is.


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