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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:05 am    Post subject: Learning to be a person Reply with quote

We are (apparently) born human. And, as humans we are animals and have animal issues – eating, sleeping, reproducing and surviving.
Acting like a person however is learned. The variety of customs and mores clearly shows that most of what we take to be “normal behavior” is not universal, let alone "normal".

So, in a real sense, we have to learn to be people.
Think of all the habits, beliefs, customs, mores, behaviors you engage in during a typical day.
How many are learned?
Waking up to freedom is realizing that our true nature/self is not bound by personal mores, or even human and organism restrictions. Ultimately, when one realizes one is not the body/mind, then things like gene pools, reproduction, human history and future, ambition, achievement, diminish or disappear as important motivating factors.
Which leaves one having to “relearn” how to be a person. Simple, bodily things, like survival, hunger, etc. remain, though are lessoned to a great degree, and become mostly "automatic" behavior, but the idea of being a person must be relearned and “practiced”, until it becomes automatic too.

And, many people never get beyond being a collection of beliefs, behaviors, reactions and learned and conditioned behaviors.
It becomes easy to see this.
I’m free and know it, so social mores and behaviors become the “role” that is being played (not a role played by “joe” either, since “joe” the human, the form, is a role being played also).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:51 am    Post subject: Re: Learning to be a person Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
We are (apparently) born human. And, as humans we are animals and have animal issues – eating, sleeping, reproducing and surviving.
Acting like a person however is learned. The variety of customs and mores clearly shows that most of what we take to be “normal behavior” is not universal, let alone "normal".

So, in a real sense, we have to learn to be people.
Think of all the habits, beliefs, customs, mores, behaviors you engage in during a typical day.
How many are learned?
Waking up to freedom is realizing that our true nature/self is not bound by personal mores, or even human and organism restrictions. Ultimately, when one realizes one is not the body/mind, then things like gene pools, reproduction, human history and future, ambition, achievement, diminish or disappear as important motivating factors.
Which leaves one having to “relearn” how to be a person. Simple, bodily things, like survival, hunger, etc. remain, though are lessoned to a great degree, and become mostly "automatic" behavior, but the idea of being a person must be relearned and “practiced”, until it becomes automatic too.

And, many people never get beyond being a collection of beliefs, behaviors, reactions and learned and conditioned behaviors.
It becomes easy to see this.
I’m free and know it, so social mores and behaviors become the “role” that is being played (not a role played by “joe” either, since “joe” the human, the form, is a role being played also).


Oneness does all by and to itself.

How can the 'who' is suppossed to do all this stuff, be somehow separate from that which is already all ?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Learning to be a person Reply with quote

heron wrote:

Oneness does all by and to itself.



But of course.
I never said or meant to imply there was any separation. There is no separation, can be no separation, no matter what appears, seems, is imagined or thought.
Merely SELF pondering how it appears to itsSELF in its many guises.

There is no possibilty of any truth ever being written, only pointers to that which cannot be expressed or captured.

Merely tossing a ball around to have some thing to Do while Being

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Learning to be a person Reply with quote

[quote="nemo"]
heron wrote:

Oneness does all by and to itself.



But of course.
I never said or meant to imply there was any separation. There is no separation, can be no separation, no matter what appears, seems, is imagined or thought.
Merely SELF pondering how it appears to itsSELF in its many guises.

There is no possibilty of any truth ever being written, only pointers to that which cannot be expressed or captured.

Merely tossing a ball around to have some thing to Do while Being

Razz[/quot

So who is the 'we' that "have to learn to be people" ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beg your pardon...

Apparently We are (apparently)....

i forgot an extra "apparently"....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Learning to be a person Reply with quote

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So who is the 'we' that "have to learn to be people" ?


the same we you move aside for when getting on the bus (or whatever...)
the same we who is reading this.
the same we who is writing this.

everyone and no one.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes

I am able to converse comfortably about Non-Duality using dualistic language. For a long time the apparent contradiction was maddening. It no longer is so. I can easily operate with the mulitple levels/symbols without overusing the word "apparently" (which gets tiresome).
At times this kind of thing:

So who is the 'we' that "have to learn to be people" ?

seems to me as though it is looking for me to constantly toe a certain "party line", or is testing the veracity of what I say.
(insert BIG YAWN)

Take what you need and leave the rest
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
beg your pardon...

Apparently We are (apparently)....

i forgot an extra "apparently"....


Thats no-one then is it ?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
Rolling Eyes

I am able to converse comfortably about Non-Duality using dualistic language. For a long time the apparent contradiction was maddening. It no longer is so. I can easily operate with the mulitple levels/symbols without overusing the word "apparently" (which gets tiresome).
At times this kind of thing:

So who is the 'we' that "have to learn to be people" ?

seems to me as though it is looking for me to constantly toe a certain "party line", or is testing the veracity of what I say.
(insert BIG YAWN)

Take what you need and leave the rest
Razz


Just attempting to be clear about your story............whatever it is, and whether you want to play or not....... is fine by me.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

heron wrote:

Just attempting to be clear about your story............whatever it is, and whether you want to play or not....... is fine by me.

Aww, gee, shucks, that's mighty gracious of you
LOL Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

(No offense intended.
Just playing until the apple store opens to buy a new dual core MacBook)

Which story do you want to hear?

Can one ever be clear about another's story in this realm?

And how would being "clear about my story" affect your understanding?
Anything understood is YOU
Anything doing the understanding is YOU
Would it add or detract from my integrity or veracity in your eyes?
Would it make it easier or harder to take in or dismiss?
or
none of the above?

perhaps I am insane
or a space alien
or perhaps I am very good at writing ND lingo?

Hopefully my posts here and here: www.wakethemup.org will clarify my story.

But my story, is really your story, isn't it? You created "me" - and "I" have no way of knowing if you are clear about my story.

and, who is the "you"? that you refer to?
Laughing



play away... Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
heron wrote:

Just attempting to be clear about your story............whatever it is, and whether you want to play or not....... is fine by me.

Aww, gee, shucks, that's mighty gracious of you
LOL Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

(No offense intended.
Just playing until the apple store opens to buy a new dual core MacBook)

Which story do you want to hear?

Can one ever be clear about another's story in this realm?

And how would being "clear about my story" affect your understanding?
Anything understood is YOU
Anything doing the understanding is YOU
Would it add or detract from my integrity or veracity in your eyes?
Would it make it easier or harder to take in or dismiss?
or
none of the above?

perhaps I am insane
or a space alien
or perhaps I am very good at writing ND lingo?

Hopefully my posts here and here: www.wakethemup.org will clarify my story.

But my story, is really your story, isn't it? You created "me" - and "I" have no way of knowing if you are clear about my story.

and, who is the "you"? that you refer to?
Laughing



play away... Razz


Thanks...........library is closing now.........get back to you soon.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cool! look forward to it.

Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
heron wrote:

Just attempting to be clear about your story............whatever it is, and whether you want to play or not....... is fine by me.

Aww, gee, shucks, that's mighty gracious of you
LOL Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

(No offense intended.
Just playing until the apple store opens to buy a new dual core MacBook)

Which story do you want to hear?

Can one ever be clear about another's story in this realm?

And how would being "clear about my story" affect your understanding?
Anything understood is YOU
Anything doing the understanding is YOU
Would it add or detract from my integrity or veracity in your eyes?
Would it make it easier or harder to take in or dismiss?
or
none of the above?

perhaps I am insane
or a space alien
or perhaps I am very good at writing ND lingo?

Hopefully my posts here and here: www.wakethemup.org will clarify my story.

But my story, is really your story, isn't it? You created "me" - and "I" have no way of knowing if you are clear about my story.

and, who is the "you"? that you refer to?
Laughing



play away... Razz


In response to your questions which are welcomed.

In the dream it can be about this story as opposed to that story, or this story AND that story. Inclusiveness or exclusion. And in the telling and exploration a point can be reached, where apparantly different stories and story tellers can be seen, or what you call understood, to be One and the same............... One way of Awakening IN the Dream.

There is no meaning or purpose to it, for all is already One regardless of dreamt awakening. Yet Oneness appears to continue dreaming the awakening dream with it's dreamt characters. And as such, we are not resonsible for whether we play the game, or what we say in it. Yet in the movie, the illusory we sometimes blame, or take pride, for what we say, even though there is nothing being said and no-one choosing to say it.

Oneness dreamt the story, and the attempt to be clear about it, the questions, the questioner, the questioning, the answers, the answering, and the answerer, for no reason or purpose whatsoever.

Oneness may continue to arise as questions, a willingness to respond, or resentment at the attempt. Either way it's all Oneness. Each the other and the One Love in Action.

No opposition dreams opposition where there is none
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