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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:41 pm    Post subject: The Great Escape Reply with quote

A few of the characters in the movie are scripted to attempt the Great Escape.........They constantly hatch plans to break out of the movie................and.................well...............they really don't know what they will do after that. Laughing




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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

[quote="toombaru"]A few of the characters in the movie are scripted to attempt the Great Escape.........They constantly hatch plans to break out of the movie................and.................well...............they really don't know what they will do after that. Laughing




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Does it make a difference either way ?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:10 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

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A few of the characters in the movie are scripted to attempt the Great Escape.........They constantly hatch plans to break out of the movie................and.................well...............they really don't know what they will do after that. :lol:




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Does it make a difference either way ?




What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?
toombaru


OK

Let's keep going. What is "what is?"
What is a question mark?
What is What and That Is That.
Now what is a That and what is a now?
It all makes perfect (non) sense and it reminds me of the following story:

Meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn

There's this wonderful story about the first meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn:

The two monks entered with swirling robes - maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere gray and black for the Korean - and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads ...

The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary (mala) with one hand while murmuring, 'Om mani padme hum,' continuously under his breath. The Zen master was already gaining fame for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance. He then would bellow at them, 'Keep that don't know mind!'

On this occasion the Zen master reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. 'What is this?' he demanded of the lama. 'What is this?'

This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.

The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.

'What is this?' the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan's nose.

Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk next to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room:

'Rinpoche says, What is the matter with him? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?'

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:06 am    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?
toombaru


OK

Let's keep going. What is "what is?"
What is a question mark?
What is What and That Is That.
Now what is a That and what is a now?
It all makes perfect (non) sense and it reminds me of the following story:

Meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn

There's this wonderful story about the first meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn:

The two monks entered with swirling robes - maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere gray and black for the Korean - and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads ...

The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary (mala) with one hand while murmuring, 'Om mani padme hum,' continuously under his breath. The Zen master was already gaining fame for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance. He then would bellow at them, 'Keep that don't know mind!'

On this occasion the Zen master reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. 'What is this?' he demanded of the lama. 'What is this?'

This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.

The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.

'What is this?' the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan's nose.

Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk next to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room:

'Rinpoche says, What is the matter with him? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?'





This is beautiful.

Thank you Leo.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:25 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?


toombaru


Thats a question for one who believes there are differences.

Are you scripted as such a one tomb ? if so does it make a difference if :-

"A few of the characters in the movie are scripted to attempt the Great Escape.........They constantly hatch plans to break out of the movie................and.................well...............they really don't know what they will do after that. :lol"

If not forget I asked.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

heron wrote:
toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?


toombaru


Thats a question for one who believes there are differences.

Are you scripted as such a one tomb ? if so does it make a difference if :-

"A few of the characters in the movie are scripted to attempt the Great Escape.........They constantly hatch plans to break out of the movie................and.................well...............they really don't know what they will do after that. :lol"

If not forget I asked.




Any speculation downstream from the assumption of separation ....is flawed.


The assumed I here..... floats in the most delightful unknowingness.

It free-falls.......night and day......through the most amazing show on earth.


It is its own Cirque de Soleil.






Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:37 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?
toombaru


OK

Let's keep going. What is "what is?"
What is a question mark?
What is What and That Is That.
Now what is a That and what is a now?
It all makes perfect (non) sense and it reminds me of the following story:

Meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn

There's this wonderful story about the first meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn:

The two monks entered with swirling robes - maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere gray and black for the Korean - and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads ...

The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary (mala) with one hand while murmuring, 'Om mani padme hum,' continuously under his breath. The Zen master was already gaining fame for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance. He then would bellow at them, 'Keep that don't know mind!'

On this occasion the Zen master reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. 'What is this?' he demanded of the lama. 'What is this?'

This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.

The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.

'What is this?' the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan's nose.

Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk next to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room:

'Rinpoche says, What is the matter with him? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?'



" I do think there are the awakened and the unawakened, but I dont like to say so directly"

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:27 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
heron wrote:
toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?


toombaru


Thats a question for one who believes there are differences.

Are you scripted as such a one tomb ? if so does it make a difference if :-

"A few of the characters in the movie are scripted to attempt the Great Escape.........They constantly hatch plans to break out of the movie................and.................well...............they really don't know what they will do after that. :lol"

If not forget I asked.




Any speculation downstream from the assumption of separation ....is flawed.


The assumed I here..... floats in the most delightful unknowingness.

It free-falls.......night and day......through the most amazing show on earth.


It is its own Cirque de Soleil.






Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


..........including the speculation about what may or may not be flawed ?

So is flawed less Oneness than unflawed in your downstream hierarchy or is all still EQUALLYOne ?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

heron wrote:
awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?
toombaru


OK

Let's keep going. What is "what is?"
What is a question mark?
What is What and That Is That.
Now what is a That and what is a now?
It all makes perfect (non) sense and it reminds me of the following story:

Meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn

There's this wonderful story about the first meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn:

The two monks entered with swirling robes - maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere gray and black for the Korean - and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads ...

The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary (mala) with one hand while murmuring, 'Om mani padme hum,' continuously under his breath. The Zen master was already gaining fame for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance. He then would bellow at them, 'Keep that don't know mind!'

On this occasion the Zen master reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. 'What is this?' he demanded of the lama. 'What is this?'

This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.

The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.

'What is this?' the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan's nose.

Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk next to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room:

'Rinpoche says, What is the matter with him? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?'



" I do think there are the awakened and the unawakened, but I dont like to say so directly"

anon






There are a few characters who know that they are characters.



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:34 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
heron wrote:
awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?
toombaru


OK

Let's keep going. What is "what is?"
What is a question mark?
What is What and That Is That.
Now what is a That and what is a now?
It all makes perfect (non) sense and it reminds me of the following story:

Meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn

There's this wonderful story about the first meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn:

The two monks entered with swirling robes - maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere gray and black for the Korean - and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads ...

The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary (mala) with one hand while murmuring, 'Om mani padme hum,' continuously under his breath. The Zen master was already gaining fame for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance. He then would bellow at them, 'Keep that don't know mind!'

On this occasion the Zen master reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. 'What is this?' he demanded of the lama. 'What is this?'

This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.

The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.

'What is this?' the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan's nose.

Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk next to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room:

'Rinpoche says, What is the matter with him? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?'



" I do think there are the awakened and the unawakened, but I dont like to say so directly"

anon






There are a few characters who know that they are characters.

And are more Oneness for that knowing ?



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

heron wrote:
toombaru wrote:
heron wrote:
awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?
toombaru


OK

Let's keep going. What is "what is?"
What is a question mark?
What is What and That Is That.
Now what is a That and what is a now?
It all makes perfect (non) sense and it reminds me of the following story:

Meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn

There's this wonderful story about the first meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn:

The two monks entered with swirling robes - maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere gray and black for the Korean - and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads ...

The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary (mala) with one hand while murmuring, 'Om mani padme hum,' continuously under his breath. The Zen master was already gaining fame for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance. He then would bellow at them, 'Keep that don't know mind!'

On this occasion the Zen master reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. 'What is this?' he demanded of the lama. 'What is this?'

This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.

The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.

'What is this?' the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan's nose.

Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk next to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room:

'Rinpoche says, What is the matter with him? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?'



" I do think there are the awakened and the unawakened, but I dont like to say so directly"

anon






There are a few characters who know that they are characters.

And are more Oneness for that knowing ?



toombaru




For them.......'Oneness' is no longer a thought.......It is the only reality.



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: The Great Escape Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
heron wrote:
toombaru wrote:
heron wrote:
awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:


What is a 'difference'?

.............and how is one made?
toombaru


OK

Let's keep going. What is "what is?"
What is a question mark?
What is What and That Is That.
Now what is a That and what is a now?
It all makes perfect (non) sense and it reminds me of the following story:

Meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn

There's this wonderful story about the first meeting between Kalu Rinpoche and Zen master Seung Sahn:

The two monks entered with swirling robes - maroon and yellow for the Tibetan, austere gray and black for the Korean - and were followed by retinues of younger monks and translators with shaven heads ...

The Tibetan lama sat very still, fingering a wooden rosary (mala) with one hand while murmuring, 'Om mani padme hum,' continuously under his breath. The Zen master was already gaining fame for his method of hurling questions at his students until they were forced to admit their ignorance. He then would bellow at them, 'Keep that don't know mind!'

On this occasion the Zen master reached deep inside his robes and drew out an orange. 'What is this?' he demanded of the lama. 'What is this?'

This was a typical opening question, and we could feel him ready to pounce on whatever response he was given.

The Tibetan sat quietly fingering his mala and made no move to respond.

'What is this?' the Zen master insisted, holding the orange up to the Tibetan's nose.

Kalu Rinpoche bent very slowly to the Tibetan monk next to him who was serving as the translator, and they whispered back and forth for several minutes. Finally the translator addressed the room:

'Rinpoche says, What is the matter with him? Don't they have oranges where he comes from?'



" I do think there are the awakened and the unawakened, but I dont like to say so directly"

anon






There are a few characters who know that they are characters.

And are more Oneness for that knowing ?



toombaru




For them.......'Oneness' is no longer a thought.......It is the only reality.



toombaru


.........and are they MORE Oneness than those for whom Oneness is not that only reality ?
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL
oh, this is rich. Laughing

the very idea of "more oneness" Bwhahhahahaha

Whether the role being played, the manifestion, the heat wave mirage, the symbol, whatever, experiences thoughts and perceptions that lead to "awareness of awareness of oneness" is frankly irrelevant to the One.

I think leo nails this in the book with the part about the vilian actor never reaizes he's just an actor.
the actor realizes he's playing the role of a villian.

How can a shadow, the insubstantial, ever "do or know" anything?

"Any speculation"

is flawed. All concepts, symbols and thoughts are "flawed"


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
LOL
oh, this is rich. Laughing

the very idea of "more oneness" Bwhahhahahaha

Whether the role being played, the manifestion, the heat wave mirage, the symbol, whatever, experiences thoughts and perceptions that lead to "awareness of awareness of oneness" is frankly irrelevant to the One.

I think leo nails this in the book with the part about the vilian actor never reaizes he's just an actor.
the actor realizes he's playing the role of a villian.

How can a shadow, the insubstantial, ever "do or know" anything?

"Any speculation"

is flawed. All concepts, symbols and thoughts are "flawed"


Razz
The inherent frustrations and challenges in describing an N dimensional world with 3 dimmensional language. Razz


It be irrelevant but the One likes to play in its divine expression known here affectionately as the illusion dont you think ?
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