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PostPosted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: This animation explains it all! Reply with quote

Yep ladies and gentlemen:

The internet (here in the form of youtube) shows us how the universe is currently performing its miracles in wondrous and mysterious ways!

Hopefully your computer has audio, so you can hear the wonderful music, but just the video is SUPERBLY COOL

And we guys here are all very cool too. Hope that Heron returns soon!

Click on the link:
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in one way perhaps...

the basic message points to the 'unity of consciousness'...

but it appears to show this as 'unity of substance' in 'multiplicity of perceiving (and non-perceiving) forms'...

each 'perceiving form' having its own 'bit' of the 'one consciousness'...

it appears to show 'consciousness' making forms of itself in 'space and time'... as old forms disappear and new forms appear in sequence and in different relations with each other.

in the animation, the only way it is possible to portray consciousness is as an 'object' and to do this it must be shown as a 'form' in 'space-time'...

yet consciousness is neither in 'space-time' , nor outside it.

'space-time' exists only as an idea known by consciousness.

where is 'space-time' in your nightly dreams?

from the perspective of the person you appear to be
have you ever seen any 'other perceiving forms'...

in your nightly dreams do the people you perceive, perceive

this is a sound and light show...

it has neither substance nor no substance
it is neither in 'space-time' nor outside it...

consciousness has no 'bits'...
not even 'connected bits...

nightly dreams are of exactly the same 'quality' as these apparent waking experiences…

no different

as each 'dream' appears, there are no other dreams being dreamed by any other 'bit' of 'consciousness'...

this that now appears is all that appears now...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

imagining that 'I am a little bit of consciousness' and 'you' are 'another bit of consciousness', means that 'I have my little experience' and 'you have your little experience' and when we both 'die' we are simply absorbed back into the great 'consciousness' of which we are an integral part.

On this belief, 'I will never know what it is like seeming to be you' and 'you will never know what it is like seeming to be me'.

It also seems that while 'I am having my little experience', 'I do not know the 'experience of being the totality of consciousness'.

This belief may also include the belief that 'the totality of consciousness', must know what it is like to actually be 'big daddy'... while also knowing 'my little experience' and 'your little experience'... 'all at once'.

wow says thought:

"that must be such a blast... I want some of that"...

"if I could just see that I really am 'big daddy', surely I would really know immediately what it is like to actually be big daddy... as well as seeming to be this little bit and also that little bit... in fact all bits at once... wow"

but there are no 'little bits'.

as it seems 'I am me' (whichever 'me' I seem to be)... that is the sum total of all experience in the apparent moment.

the same that seems to experience 'my life'
is
wholly
the same that seems to experience 'your life' (which then appears to be 'my life')

there is no 'missing out'...

as one dream follows another
each life is dreamed 'in turn'...

what I seem to do to another
consciousness alone experiences 'as' both 'this apparent person' and 'that apparent other person'...

as the same events are dreamed 'in turn' (though not in time) from the perspective of each and every creature...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

look...

see those people and other objects 'out there'

they are not composed of 'lumps of consciousness'.. or anything else

close your eyes

they are gone... as they never are

they are gone as surely as the phantoms in your nightly dreams
dissolve on waking...

with eyes closed it seems you can still feel them

but all that is felt is a feeling... which is associated with the idea that the feeling is 'the object' previously seen...

sensations and ideas all...

a passing show
by through and for...

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it may seem that George Bush is a being with a separate body and Osama Bin Laden another...

while the (apparent) person reading this may (perhaps) be seen as yet another separate body...

perhaps each separate body may be seen as 'infused' with its own spark of 'divine consciousness'...

an inseparable part of 'Consciousness'...

yet it is wholly the same consciousness
that experiences life from all perspectives...

as it seems "I am George"... so it appears
as it seems "I am Osama"... so it appears
as it seems "I am fox"... so it appears
as it seems "I am michael"... so it appears

as it seems "I am (whomever)... " so it appears

and as it seems "I am one particular person/creature"... there are no memories arising of any other 'life experiences'....

so it appears that the 'life I seem to be living this apparent moment' is 'the only life I have ever lived'...

In reality...
'I am'...

utterly alone...

yet
friends and enemies
beyond counting
do
I know...

how wonder full...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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and as it seems "I am one particular person/creature"... there are no memories arising of any other 'life experiences'....

so it appears that the 'life I seem to be living this apparent moment' is 'the only life I have ever lived'...


Yep, that's exactly the utterly weird situation.

Why aren't there any memories arising of other 'life experiences'?
As I am awareness itself, that experiences life as all the life forms, why is there always only the
fox-perspective...?!?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

what do you mean

"always only the fox-perspective"

what is 'always' in this context...

for 'how long' does it seem 'I am fox'...

'how long' is the 'life of fox' in comparison to eternity...

'how long' is it from the time it seems fox went to sleep (and disappeared) 'last night' and his re-appearance now...

perhaps it is only this apparent moment (as these words are read)
that it seems life is experienced from the perspective of fox... all else is simply 'memory'

or perhaps while 'fox slept', a billion other lifetimes
have been experienced...

there are no time limits
or rules

fun...
isn't it.... smile

and utterly wonder full...

how else do you suppose it would be possible to create the appearance of many in One

unless it were possible to ignore your own face...
recalling only each apparent part 'in turn'...

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox wrote:
Quote:
and as it seems "I am one particular person/creature"... there are no memories arising of any other 'life experiences'....

so it appears that the 'life I seem to be living this apparent moment' is 'the only life I have ever lived'...


Yep, that's exactly the utterly weird situation.

Why aren't there any memories arising of other 'life experiences'?
As I am awareness itself, that experiences life as all the life forms, why is there always only the
fox-perspective...?!?


Hi Fox

The formless or infinite cannot be an experience, it is the experiencing.
The body-mind is the formless infinite having a finite experience in and as form.

This gets apparently forgotten d'oh! and then we end up with a body/mind wanting the infinite as an experience. Sort of a central ‘brain’ looking at all experiences from all creatures including their apparent memories and other stories.

Have a look at the nature of experiences. They are all finite and all have a context. For the time being you seem to be a being in time and that’s how experiences are ‘made possible’; the apparent ‘yin/yang nature of all this (start/stop, me/other, here/there, why/why not, and so on) is their very essence.

Also there are 'experiences' in which the SPP (single person perspective) falls apart and sometime one may ‘see’ from other perspectives: Perhaps your mushroom experiments have shown this; but it is a bit hard to do the shopping while they are present. Laughing

Last but not least: no wave contains the whole ocean, each wave is unique, and yet each wave is nothing but the ocean waving.

The polite thing to do is to just wave back. winken winken winken

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
always only the fox-perspective"

what is 'always' in this context...

for 'how long' does it seem 'I am fox'...

'how long' is the 'life of fox' in comparison to eternity...


Eternity? Now I definitively don't know about eternity!
Isn't that just another classic concept?

Have I ever felt, seen, experienced something like eternity?

The fox-perspective seems to be very persistent! Confused

I wonder how the Michael-perspective feels...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox wrote:
Quote:
always only the fox-perspective"

what is 'always' in this context...

for 'how long' does it seem 'I am fox'...

'how long' is the 'life of fox' in comparison to eternity...


Eternity? Now I definitively don't know about eternity!
Isn't that just another classic concept?

Have I ever felt, seen, experienced something like eternity?

The fox-perspective seems to be very persistent! Confused

I wonder how the Michael-perspective feels...


any thought about 'eternity' is a concept...

just like any thought about 'now'... smile

and (despite your apparent protestations)
both these are known...

for where else does any 'concept' exist
but in the knowing of it.

of course

both also
'point to'...

well...

this 'eternal now' (no concept in mind) ... smile

...

how does experiencing apparent life from the perspective of michael 'feel' now...

well memory says
that, amongst other feelings...

for about the last six weeks
it has felt like
a severe pain in the back and down the left leg...

very restricting...

but now it seems much better...
just a little pain... sigh of relief... smile

how long did the 'severe pain' last...

well

now...

it is as though it never happened

like a forgotten dream...

...

no matter how severe the apparent suffering
no matter how long it may appear to have lasted

in the moment that
it is no more...

it is gone instantly...

completely...

as if it never was...

...

through memory alone
it appears that experience is 'continuous through time'...

yet...

'experience' arises instantly...
complete with memories of the past...

and instantly it is dissolved.

how wonder full...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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'experience' arises instantly...
complete with memories of the past...

and instantly it is dissolved.


This seems to be clear here.
But, hmmm... where is the Michael-reality-tunnel?

Where is it? Show it to me!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox wrote:
Quote:
'experience' arises instantly...
complete with memories of the past...

and instantly it is dissolved.


This seems to be clear here.
But, hmmm... where is the Michael-reality-tunnel?

Where is it? Show it to me!
Shocked

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where is the 'michael-reality-tunnel'?

right here
right now...
being observed this very instant...
as these words seem to be typed... smile

but of course
not now...
as these words seem to be read from the perspective of 'fox' (or any other perspective)

'fox' can never observe the 'michael-reality-tunnel'...

but then again...
neither can 'anyone' else...

including 'michael'... smile

there is no difference in quality between 'fox' and 'michael' - they are both built from the same 'pool' of ideas and sensations...

just as any book is built from the same 'pool' of words.

And, as the specific sequence of words tells a specific story in a book...

just so, the specific sequence of ideas and sensations arising in 'awareness' appear to show a 'world' experienced from a specific 'perspective/viewpoint' - telling the life-story of 'fox', or 'michael', or 'whomever'.

as one set of ideas and sensations arise...
that is all there is arising

which is to say...

as one 'life-story' appears...
there are no other 'life-stories' appearing 'simultaneously' - 'any where' or 'any when' else...

for there is no 'any where', nor 'any when' else...

in this instant - as these words are read
there are
no other 'lives' seeming to be 'lived'...

as one dream appears...
there are no other dreams appearing...

"where/when One/No-One is... there is One/No-One wholly present"...

this that now appears (as these words are read) is all that is apparent now... full stop



look now... whatever appears (as these words are read) is all that is appearing now

...

look now... whatever appears (as these words are read) is all that is appearing now

...

look now... whatever appears (as these words are read) is all that is appearing now

there are absolutely no other viewpoints, or life-stories being experienced, or 'lives' seeming to be 'lived' - 'at the same time'...

seeing is One
hearing is One
tasting is One
feeling is One
smelling is One
knowing is One

these together are One

there are no...

'multiple seeings'
'multiple hearings'
'multiple tastings'
'multiple feelings'
'multiple smellings'
'multiple knowings'

and
as all sensations cease

One/No-One remains
as One/No-One ever is...

absolutely alone...

this 'aloneness' cannot be defined...

it is beyond the reach of the senses and the knowing
it can never be controlled...

for it is
these senses
and this knowing
and this power...

aware of these very words now...

deathless
divine...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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as one 'life-story' appears...
there are no other 'life-stories' appearing 'simultaneously' - 'any where' or 'any when' else...

for there is no 'any where', nor 'any when' else...

in this instant - as these words are read
there are
no other 'lives' seeming to be 'lived'...

as one dream appears...
there are no other dreams appearing...

"where/when One/No-One is... there is One/No-One wholly present"...

this that now appears (as these words are read) is all that is apparent now... full stop



look now... whatever appears (as these words are read) is all that is appearing now


hmmm....you have explained that to me a few times already...and I seem to be coming closer to actually understanding it...but: there is suffering in this, at least as seen from the fox-reality tunnel!

This seems to be more radical than my encounters with the inferno, induced by the holy medicine the relentless mushroom...


Quote:
as one dream appears... there are no other dreams appearing...


what if I talk to some body-mind...'behind' that body-mind sits awareness in is glorious splendor...does it experience itself through the body-mind of Michael AND the body-mind of Fox, although 'not at the same time' ?!


Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fox wrote:
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as one dream appears... there are no other dreams appearing...


what if I talk to some body-mind...'behind' that body-mind sits awareness in is glorious splendor...does it experience itself through the body-mind of Michael AND the body-mind of Fox, although 'not at the same time' ?!


Confused


as a nightly dream is experienced
it seems that 'fox' is in the dream...

though 'fox' cannot be seen in the same way other people are seen in the dream...
his head or back cannot be seen...
just the tops of his arms and the front of his torso and legs
(usually) at the 'bottom' of the image

other people in the dream have heads

'the dreamer' is not 'fox'
both the images of fox's body
and the feelings of it
are in the dream…

the dream fox experiences nothing

the experience is not 'through' fox, but ‘as’ fox…

there is no 'fox' for the experience to be 'through'…

'fox' has no reality
no 'substance'

as for the other people in the dream
they too have no reality
no substance

as a dream is dreamed at night
are there any other
'consciousnesses' looking out of the eyes of the dreamed people?

of course not…

only 'the dreamer' sees
and feels
and smells
and tastes
and hears
and knows…

look now...

see how fox's 'waking body' appears exactly as in the dream

see how the whole image appears to hang in a void
beyond the perimeter is nothing
not black
not white…

void…

yet this seeing
is not the only sense that gives apparent reality to the world

smell!
taste!
hear!
feel!

and know

these together are indefinable
these together are who
the reader of these words
really is.

so yes

absolutely alone

and yet

in experiencing (dreaming) these words 'from the perspective of fox'...

(not through fox
not looking out of the eyes of fox)

but
as though the reader is fox...

so this same One/No-One
seems to read these words 'from the perspective of michael'

(not through michael
not looking out of the eyes of michael)

but as though the reader is michael

in the same way that a nightly dream is seen 'from the perspective of a single person'

if michael and fox were to seemingly meet
neither michael nor fox would know of the meeting
for they are simply images, feelings and sounds and odours and flavours and ideas
arising

and yet
as each says hello
and gives the other a hug (or a handshake... smile)
so
this same One/No-One
experiences the greetings
from both perspectives

this 'experiencing' is 'outside' time
for time appears only in the context of the experience

as it seems 'I am michael greeting fox'
it does not seem 'I am fox greeting michael'

and vice versa

it is not possible to say which experience comes first
the 'michael experience' or the 'fox experience'

the 'knowing' of both these experiences already is
even before they appear
this knowing is eternal and never changes

it is only as the sensations arise to give this knowing apparent substance that each experience seems to arise separately...

as the sounds and colours and feelings and odours and flavours and ideas arise that 'manifest' the experience from the perspective of fox
so it appears 'I am fox greeting michael'

as the sounds and colours and feelings and odours and flavours and ideas arise that 'manifest' the experience from the perspective of michael
so it appears 'I am michael greeting fox'

so yes

every person you meet is 'conscious'…

is aware of the meeting

aware of what fox says...

yet it is not the person who is conscious…

who is aware

whatever seems to be said or done to 'another'
is said and done by through and to
Self...

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if michael and fox were to seemingly meet
neither michael nor fox would know of the meeting
for they are simply images, feelings and sounds and odours and flavours and ideas arising


But wouldn't IT know about the meeting, in 'my case' seen through a body-mind called fox, apparently, there are other body-minds like Michael's body mind...and IT experiences the meeting as Michael.

I am IT. (Advaita suggests... Smile )

But IT always only experiences meetings AS fox-body-mind.

Why?
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