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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:13 pm    Post subject: Why Am I Never Satisfied? Reply with quote

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no goyoutube.com/watch?v=iRZZzUYIKAU&feature=related

Noosphere = universal love. By destabilizing it we destabilizing it, we destabilize the world.


Nature cares not for side-taking or 'you' for that matter.

She care only for harmony and balance (Equilibrium)
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Am I Never Satisfied? Reply with quote

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no goyoutube.com/watch?v=iRZZzUYIKAU&feature=related



I followed up until the thing about the ultimate pleasure (goal) is helping others
which is merely another pleasure seeking program of the ego.

A happy ego is a contradiction in terms.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Am I Never Satisfied? Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:



I followed up until the thing about the ultimate pleasure (goal) is helping others
which is merely another pleasure seeking program of the ego.

A happy ego is a contradiction in terms.


Well toombaru....I think you missed the part where it is said-
in helping others is to show others that ego does not exist ??

As for ''A happy ego''... lets see what Nisargadatta says about that.

All hangs on the idea I am.

Examine it very thoroughly.

It lies at the root of every trouble.

This I am idea was not born with you.

You could have lived very well without it.

It came later due to your self-identification with the body.

It created an illusion of separation where there was none.

It made you a stranger in your own world alien and inimical.

Without the sense of I am life goes on.

There are moments when we are without the sense of I am, at peace and happy.

With the return of I am, trouble starts.


______

If i didn't help others, if i turned my back on them, i would feel alienated.

And that is a problem, that we have to work out for ourselves.

If we don't, we're all doomed as a species.

It's not rocket science.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Am I Never Satisfied? Reply with quote

aquarius wrote:
toombaru wrote:



I followed up until the thing about the ultimate pleasure (goal) is helping others
which is merely another pleasure seeking program of the ego.

A happy ego is a contradiction in terms.


Well toombaru....I think you missed the part where it is said-
in helping others is to show others that ego does not exist ??




That's not the message I got.
I saw another prescription for a disease that doesn't exist.
It is the ego's function to seek its own pleasure......end of story.
Its trying to "help" the perceived others is merely another way to make its self feel good.
That doesn't make it bad or evil.
It is a pleasure-seeking-pain-avoiding program.
And it does its job wonderfully.
The "problem" occurs when awareness identifies itself as the program.







As for ''A happy ego''... lets see what Nisargadatta says about that.

All hangs on the idea I am.

Examine it very thoroughly.

It lies at the root of every trouble.

This I am idea was not born with you.

You could have lived very well without it.

It came later due to your self-identification with the body.

It created an illusion of separation where there was none.

It made you a stranger in your own world alien and inimical.

Without the sense of I am life goes on.







Not for the ego it doesn't.
One has to look closely to see who is actually reading Nissy's words.
Ego is a tricky little monkey.







There are moments when we are without the sense of I am, at peace and happy.

With the return of I am, trouble starts.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Am I Never Satisfied? Reply with quote

aquarius wrote:
toombaru wrote:



I followed up until the thing about the ultimate pleasure (goal) is helping others
which is merely another pleasure seeking program of the ego.

A happy ego is a contradiction in terms.


Well toombaru....I think you missed the part where it is said-
in helping others is to show others that ego does not exist ??

As for ''A happy ego''... lets see what Nisargadatta says about that.

All hangs on the idea I am.

Examine it very thoroughly.

It lies at the root of every trouble.

This I am idea was not born with you.

You could have lived very well without it.

It came later due to your self-identification with the body.

It created an illusion of separation where there was none.

It made you a stranger in your own world alien and inimical.

Without the sense of I am life goes on.

There are moments when we are without the sense of I am, at peace and happy.

With the return of I am, trouble starts.


______

If i didn't help others, if i turned my back on them, i would feel alienated.

And that is a problem, that we have to work out for ourselves.

If we don't, we're all doomed as a species.

It's not rocket science.





Is it your belief that our species is more special than the all others?
Do you have a vested interest in undooming it?
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Being in the stone age (dial up - and wouyld you believe the conservatives are promising that if elected they will stop the current
role out of optic fibre which recently started in this country)
I can't see the youtube thing. However,
Quote:
Noosphere = universal love.

rings some bells.
Quote:
The French philosopher Pierre Teilhard de Chardin developed a general theory of evolution that applied not only to the human species but also to the human mind and the relationship of religious experience to the facts of natural science.
One of his principal conclusions was that humanity was headed toward the unification of the entire species into a single inter-thinking group. He coined the word noosphere (from the Greek noos, mind) to refer to the cumulative effect of human minds over the entire planet. Just as the biosphere is the system comprised of all living things, so the noosphere is comprised of all conscious minds.
The fulfillment of this process Teilhard referred to as the Omega Point, the culmination of the evolutionary process, the end point toward which we are all converging.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Why Am I Never Satisfied? Reply with quote

Quote:
If i didn't help others, if i turned my back on them, i would feel alienated.

And that is a problem, that we have to work out for ourselves.

If we don't, we're all doomed as a species.

It's not rocket science.


toombaru wrote:
Is it your belief that our species is more special than the all others?
Do you have a vested interest in undooming it?


Toombaru, you are very lucid in your posts, and your posts are very accurate as you ever point toward this ineffable,
however, you sometimes forget to be grounded in the physical, you cannot deny the physical, as it is the dream.
Consciousness is conscious as and through you, it knows it is conscious, so we need to be consciously living the dream.

As ''apparent'' parts of the integral whole, each part is dependant on every other, like cogs in a machine.
For example, if the bees were to die out completely, the whole biosphere would collapse.
It is imperative that we work together as a whole, this is always natures intention.
The cells in our bodies can turn cancerous if they refuse to die and become selfish. It's the same idea.

Nature cares not for selfishness, it cares only for BALANCE.
If humanity self destructs then the transformation of energy will go to something else, who knows maybe dinosaur's will become dish of the day once again.

And no i do not think our species special that is your 'ego thinking' not mine.

Consciousness is conscious, it knows it is conscious.It's always home safe and well - how ever it expresses itself.

No big deal human.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 6:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aquarius at the social level I am so with
the things you say - in this case
caring for others. (in fact that info about Teilhard came from
my own site - which tried so hard to put out such a message
of caring).
It's just that this damn forum and the 'there's no one here and nothing which can be done" which is keeping me wrestling with
all this material - after all I can see by the dates joined that you guys
have been at it a lot longer than moi.
I love it when someone cares ... because whatever this is .. it keeps going day after day and the world is a harsh place.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

makara wrote:
Aquarius at the social level I am so with
the things you say - in this case
caring for others. (in fact that info about Teilhard came from
my own site - which tried so hard to put out such a message
of caring).
It's just that this damn forum and the 'there's no one here and nothing which can be done" which is keeping me wrestling with
all this material - after all I can see by the dates joined that you guys
have been at it a lot longer than moi.
I love it when someone cares ... because whatever this is .. it keeps going day after day and the world is a harsh place.



ahh... caring and 'non-duality' are not mutually exclusive...and neither is hate and despair...

Love
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: Why Am I Never Satisfied? Reply with quote

aquarius wrote:
Quote:
If i didn't help others, if i turned my back on them, i would feel alienated.

And that is a problem, that we have to work out for ourselves.

If we don't, we're all doomed as a species.

It's not rocket science.


toombaru wrote:
Is it your belief that our species is more special than the all others?
Do you have a vested interest in undooming it?


Toombaru, you are very lucid in your posts, and your posts are very accurate as you ever point toward this ineffable,
however, you sometimes forget to be grounded in the physical, you cannot deny the physical, as it is the dream.
Consciousness is conscious as and through you, it knows it is conscious, so we need to be consciously living the dream.

As ''apparent'' parts of the integral whole, each part is dependant on every other, like cogs in a machine.
For example, if the bees were to die out completely, the whole biosphere would collapse.
It is imperative that we work together as a whole, this is always natures intention.
The cells in our bodies can turn cancerous if they refuse to die and become selfish. It's the same idea.

Nature cares not for selfishness, it cares only for BALANCE.
If humanity self destructs then the transformation of energy will go to something else, who knows maybe dinosaur's will become dish of the day once again.

And no i do not think our species special that is your 'ego thinking' not mine.

Consciousness is conscious, it knows it is conscious.It's always home safe and well - how ever it expresses itself.

No big deal human.







A nice float down the river.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

makara wrote:
Aquarius at the social level I am so with
the things you say - in this case
caring for others. (in fact that info about Teilhard came from
my own site - which tried so hard to put out such a message
of caring).
It's just that this damn forum and the 'there's no one here and nothing which can be done" which is keeping me wrestling with
all this material - after all I can see by the dates joined that you guys
have been at it a lot longer than moi.
I love it when someone cares ... because whatever this is .. it keeps going day after day and the world is a harsh place.




Caring is impersonal.
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PostPosted: Sat May 22, 2010 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Caring is impersonal.

Yes, that is clear.
My how the phantoms screw around with it though ...
scratch m' back and ....
The absolute hypocarcy of most international aid.
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