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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:36 pm    Post subject: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

Ok.....so let's say that eighty percent of Americans believe that Santa is God and that He brings presents to the good people and gives nothing to the bad people.

Are we obligated to go along with that?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
Ok.....so let's say that eighty percent of Americans believe that Santa is God and that He brings presents to the good people and gives nothing to the bad people.

Are we obligated to go along with that?



If it depends on the C.I.A., I think it's a good idea to go along with that...

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
Ok.....so let's say that eighty percent of Americans believe that Santa is God and that He brings presents to the good people and gives nothing to the bad people.

Are we obligated to go along with that?




Are there still crosses on the walls of the courts of justice in the U.S.?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

dilaram wrote:
toombaru wrote:
Ok.....so let's say that eighty percent of Americans believe that Santa is God and that He brings presents to the good people and gives nothing to the bad people.

Are we obligated to go along with that?




Are there still crosses on the walls of the courts of justice in the U.S.?



There are crosses burnt into the minds of most Americans.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
dilaram wrote:
toombaru wrote:
Ok.....so let's say that eighty percent of Americans believe that Santa is God and that He brings presents to the good people and gives nothing to the bad people.

Are we obligated to go along with that?




Are there still crosses on the walls of the courts of justice in the U.S.?



There are crosses burnt into the minds of most Americans.


I have that impression too...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
Ok.....so let's say that eighty percent of Americans believe that Santa is God and that He brings presents to the good people and gives nothing to the bad people.

Are we obligated to go along with that?


You don't have any choice they believe what they believe.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:18 am    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

Xmac wrote:
toombaru wrote:
Ok.....so let's say that eighty percent of Americans believe that Santa is God and that He brings presents to the good people and gives nothing to the bad people.

Are we obligated to go along with that?


You don't have any choice they believe what they believe.



Nor do those who see their lunacy.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:05 am    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
Xmac wrote:
toombaru wrote:
Ok.....so let's say that eighty percent of Americans believe that Santa is God and that He brings presents to the good people and gives nothing to the bad people.

Are we obligated to go along with that?


You don't have any choice they believe what they believe.



Nor do those who see their lunacy.


What I mean is that you don't have any choice in what they believe and that's good. You wouldn't want them having a choice or control over what you believe or don't, as the case may be.

When I got married my father was extremely angry when he heard about me not planning on getting married in a Catholic church. He was unable to reconcile his beliefs with what the reality was clearly telling him: your son is not Catholic anymore. He suffered, but to his credit his family was ultimately more important to him than his religion. Deep down he dropped his religion for the truth. He went to the reception and I was glad he didn't put himself through that regret.

I find that anyone that clings to any religion (anyone who believes in concepts, idols, myths, etc.) suffers and is worthy of compassion.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nor do those who see their lunacy.


And here, as Shakespeare might have said,
lies the rub!

Those who genuinely want to know the truth
are such a tiny minority.
Somewhere I vaguely recall seeing:
"One in a thousand is interested in ending suffering;
and of those only one in a thousand is
willing to do something about it."

That's why I like Don Juan's description (to Carlos
Casteneda) that 'they' are phantoms
and to stay well away from them!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:31 am    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

Xmac wrote:

I find that anyone that clings to any religion (anyone who believes in concepts, idols, myths, etc.) suffers and is worthy of compassion.


agreed. Smile

Clinging to the concept
Of Non-duality
Is the same as
Clinging to any
Other concept,
Religion,
Idea,
Philosophy,
Personality…etc.

Every clinging
Solidify
The momentary,
Flash, temporary
Point of awareness,
it becomes dominant,
losing the steamily
flexibility of the
Flow…….

.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great thread title.....thanks toomby.


Also, thanks for raising some very good points Dil, Anna, makara and Xmac.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

makara wrote:
Quote:
Nor do those who see their lunacy.


And here, as Shakespeare might have said,
lies the rub!

Those who genuinely want to know the truth
are such a tiny minority.
Somewhere I vaguely recall seeing:
"One in a thousand is interested in ending suffering;
and of those only one in a thousand is
willing to do something about it."

That's why I like Don Juan's description (to Carlos
Casteneda) that 'they' are phantoms
and to stay well away from them!






Selfs are phantoms.
Identification is suffering.
There is a waking within that arena in which sense of self loses its center and identification shifts to become the dream itself.




.......and I just ran out of words......
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:58 am    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

Embarassed deleted, doubled Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:46 am    Post subject: Re: Our Father Who Liveth In The North Pole Reply with quote

ANNA wrote:
Xmac wrote:

I find that anyone that clings to any religion (anyone who believes in concepts, idols, myths, etc.) suffers and is worthy of compassion.


agreed. Smile

Clinging to the concept
Of Non-duality
Is the same as
Clinging to any
Other concept,
Religion,
Idea,
Philosophy,
Personality…etc.

Every clinging
Solidify
The momentary,
Flash, temporary
Point of awareness,
it becomes dominant,
losing the steamily
flexibility of the
Flow…….

.


Every 'suffering' and 'clinging to' is in the dream dreamt by no one.

The 'flow' is ever going on, even through every apparent suffering or clinging to...
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:






Selfs are phantoms.
Identification is suffering.
There is a waking within that arena in which sense of self loses its center and identification shifts to become the dream itself.




.......and I just ran out of words......



Identification is "Reality" identifying...
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