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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:29 pm    Post subject: eNIgMa Reply with quote

Definition of enigma (noun)

mystery; secret; perplexity; puzzle; riddle............you.

But!........There is no you!...........According to whom?

'THIS'........ is the Enigma.

Peace! Cool ....Just be Cool!


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Enigma Reply with quote

cimages wrote:
Definition of enigma (noun)

mystery; secret; perplexity; puzzle; riddle............you.

But!........There is no you!...........According to whom?

'THIS'........ is the Enigma.

Peace! 8) ....Just be Cool!





Only to the conceptual mind.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Enigma Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
cimages wrote:
Definition of enigma (noun)

mystery; secret; perplexity; puzzle; riddle............you.

But!........There is no you!...........According to whom?

'THIS'........ is the Enigma.

Peace! Cool ....Just be Cool!


Only to the conceptual mind.
toombaru


But!.....there is no "conceptual mind"!

Only that which does the conceptualizing!

Well!............what is that?

'THIS'..........is the Enigma.

Peace! Cool ...Just be Cool!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 8:53 pm    Post subject: metanoia Reply with quote

I need to get a life, (or an after life).

Quote:
cimages writes:
mystery; secret; perplexity; puzzle; riddle............you.

But!........There is no you!...........According to whom?

'THIS'........ is the Enigma.


Would you consider KOANS as a definition.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: metanoia Reply with quote

wizdumb wrote:
I need to get a life, (or an after life).


This is the wisest thing that have ever been expressed on this forum. Now this is something worth persuing. So I am now off on a new adventure.

But before I go boys & girls there is this original tune that is playing in my head that I just thought up. It could be a big hit so no plagarizing now. But this is going to be my theme song for my adventure, this is an original now so no copying it.

I'm off to see the Wizard.....The wonderful Wizard of Oz!


Peace! Cool
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 9:30 pm    Post subject: Re: metanoia Reply with quote

wizdumb wrote:
I need to get a life, (or an after life).

Quote:
cimages writes:
mystery; secret; perplexity; puzzle; riddle............you.

But!........There is no you!...........According to whom?

'THIS'........ is the Enigma.


Would you consider KOANS as a definition.




Do you like it here better then in the summer?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only c says it is a puzzle... and there really is no c... so what's the puzzle? Cool

What's knowable and what's unknowable is clear... without question, without doubt.

Impossible to know the unknowable.
Impossible to unknow (forget) the known.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael wrote:
Only c says it is a puzzle... and there really is no c... so what's the puzzle? Cool
Love


c

According to whom?

'THIS'....is the Enigma

It's like...."CONCEPTS"......which everything is....Where do concepts originate?......Hmmmmmmnnn....'THIS'...is the Enigma.....& on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on & on etc.

This is what's called in the scientific community a tangled hierarchy of self reference from which the illusion of you is created. Or a von Neumann chain where as everything is continously & circularly comes or is referenced back to it's self or original statement thus forming a chain into infinity.

There really is no logical answer while you're in it & can only observe what is occurring from above or outside. But there is no above or outside.

'THIS'...is the Enigma

Peace!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimages wrote:
This is what's called in the scientific community a tangled hierarchy of self reference from which the illusion of you is created. Or a von Neumann chain where as everything is continously & circularly comes or is referenced back to it's self or original statement thus forming a chain into infinity.


Yes, impossble to conceive of any 'thing' in isolation... each 'thing' taking its meaning from every other 'thing'.

Impossible to conceive of that which conceives this.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael wrote:
cimages wrote:
This is what's called in the scientific community a tangled hierarchy of self reference from which the illusion of you is created. Or a von Neumann chain where as everything is continously & circularly comes or is referenced back to it's self or original statement thus forming a chain into infinity.


Yes, impossble to conceive of any 'thing' in isolation... each 'thing' taking its meaning from every other 'thing'.

Impossible to conceive of that which conceives this.

Love


YEEEEEESSSSSSS!.......'THIS'.....is the Enigma.


Peace.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimages wrote:
michael wrote:
cimages wrote:
This is what's called in the scientific community a tangled hierarchy of self reference from which the illusion of you is created. Or a von Neumann chain where as everything is continously & circularly comes or is referenced back to it's self or original statement thus forming a chain into infinity.


Yes, impossble to conceive of any 'thing' in isolation... each 'thing' taking its meaning from every other 'thing'.

Impossible to conceive of that which conceives this.

Love


YEEEEEESSSSSSS!.......'THIS'.....is the Enigma.


Peace.





There is no illusion.......no enigma.

There is identification with limitation.....and the resulting confusion.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:

There is no illusion.......no enigma.

There is identification with limitation.....and the resulting confusion.

toombaru


Identification by whom?

'THIS'....is the Enigma.


Peace!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cimages wrote:
toombaru wrote:

There is no illusion.......no enigma.

There is identification with limitation.....and the resulting confusion.

toombaru


Identification by whom?

'THIS'....is the Enigma.


Peace!



The 'whom' emerges downstream from the confusion.

There is no 'whom'.

There is no enigma.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

toombaru wrote:
cimages wrote:
toombaru wrote:

There is no illusion.......no enigma.

There is identification with limitation.....and the resulting confusion.

toombaru


Identification by whom?

'THIS'....is the Enigma.

Peace!


The 'whom' emerges downstream from the confusion.

There is no 'whom'.

There is no enigma.


According to whom?

'THIS'........is the Enigma. Laughing

Peace!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah yes, the idea of 'here' and 'there', is indeed an idea.

The idea that 'here' and 'there' are other than ideas is a confusing idea: it confuses ‘reality’ (that which perceives) with ‘appearance’ (that which is ‘perceived’)… though no one is confounded by knowing this! Confused

Confused?

… not really

In knowing the meaning of words, all that is known is 'meaning'.

All the while that which knows the meaning remains as it is... neither confused nor not confused - simply knowing.

In 'not knowing', everything is known.

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