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wizdumb



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:31 pm    Post subject: Does LOVE exist ? Reply with quote

Does it ?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wat is love?
what is "exist"?
Does anything exist?
do YOU exist?
Perhaps you should start there....
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nemo wrote:
wat is love?
what is "exist"?
Does anything exist?
do YOU exist?
Perhaps you should start there....
Razz


Yes!...I would say that love does exist...just...no one....to perceive or experience it.

Yes!...YOU!...exists...but not as the you that YOU! think you are!

The YOU! that you think you are, are part of an experience by the that which you really are!

YES!....Everything has to be real....because it is that, which is real being that, which is the illusion!

Isn't it?


Peace!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:05 pm    Post subject: non-volitional living Reply with quote

"I AM" sorry, still trying to avoid that bus !

Love is..........
all......

taking each fragment and make it whole.

LOVE is all there is...............

There is no start or end, tahtonu .

LOVE< LOVE > LOVE, all you need is LOVE !


One LOVE ?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:51 pm    Post subject: love Reply with quote

Not sure who said it,

" Love is the Life of humanity."

Of course LOVE exists, LOVE trancends all existence.

LOVE is pure awareness and non awareness is pure LOVE !

I Love You !


Thank you.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:01 pm    Post subject: Re: love Reply with quote

JJ Moore wrote:
Not sure who said it,

" Love is the Life of humanity."

Of course LOVE exists, LOVE trancends all existence.

LOVE is pure awareness and non awareness is pure LOVE !

I Love You !

Thank you.


The question then begs to be asked............what is HATE....LOVE's polar opposite!

It would have to be the exact same thing now wouldn't it?

Hmmmmmmmnnnnnnnn.......not trying to be difficult!

ANY IDEAS ANYONE!.......................?

Peace!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:34 pm    Post subject: love Reply with quote

If Love exists,
then.........
hate must exist also..........
then,
how would we know love,
without hate.

"Hate is the absence of LOVE."

Then again this is all in our {monkey}minds !
and none of it exists anyway + - = !
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry folks, but
"Of course love exists" is easy to say but hard to prove. It becomes a "sez you" kinda deal.
Why "of course"?

and by not defining "exists" we side-step the entire issue - letting each other off easy - which is the core of awakening!
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love is just a word... a symbol.

Whatever has an opposite... is not real.

Love that is the opposite of hate is not real... it is emotion, feeling, thought, desire.

That which is real has no opposite... it is ALL.

The symbol for All is...

Love
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael wrote:
Love is just a word... a symbol.

Whatever has an opposite... is not real.

Love that is the opposite of hate is not real... it is emotion, feeling, thought, desire.

That which is real has no opposite... it is ALL.

The symbol for All is...

Love


This just does'nt make any sense! Not to be argumentive!

Either Love has to be real in the form of that which has no opposite & therefore so too does hate!....Or none of it is real.

That which is appearing as all is the one....so too, as all that which can be perceived as the most horrible & horrendous....you can't have it both ways!

If the so called illusion is that which is real....then the illusion must also be real.....so therefore the real illusion can only be how that which is real is perceived by its self as the illusion!

So...Love is real...Hate is real....The illusion is how these polar opposites are perceived by that which is real while experiencing itself as an illusion!

We, as the illusion that is being experienced, has no way to determine what these 2 things actually are! The very thoughts that are expressing these ideas & all ideas are from that which is having the illusion.

So these thoughts must be part of the illusion & it therefore can only define Love & Hate as Love & Hate as part of this experience. Same as the thoughts that are defining Non Duality & all other schools of thought that is part of this experience.

There is no way for the experience to evaluate its self other than just simply accepting this as part of the experience & simply say...... IT DOES NOT COMPUTE!

Peace Out!
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 'love' and 'hate' that are the opposite of each other...

Can you describe them?

Love
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi cimages.

What is 'real'?

An 'object' that appears in a dream, is it 'real'?

A feeling of 'love' (or 'hate') that appears in a dream... are these 'real'?

Love
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael wrote:
Hi cimages.

What is 'real'?

An 'object' that appears in a dream, is it 'real'?

A feeling of 'love' (or 'hate') that appears in a dream... are these 'real'?

Love


This experience has been likened to a dream.

However, THAT which is appearing as the dream is real....so this would have to make the dream itself real & not a dream at all?

The illusion would have to occur in how this experience & reality is perceived....as defined by thoughts?

But thoughts are a part of the illusion....there purpose is to define it as it appears......how can that, which is a part of the illusion...define anything that is not meant to be an illusion.....including...'THIS'?

'THIS'......could be anything....what is appearing as you & I have no way of making any determination of anything because thoughts are part of the illusion.....thoughts suggests what is....and what is not? Don't they?


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is real, and this is not.
This is true and this is not.
It's all true
and it is not.

Is a dream real?
It is a real dream.
Is a shadow real?
It is a real shadow.

Does a good glass of wine taste different
when it is called real or an illusion?

Perhaps, but different then what?
What would be the reference point
in a single flux
from no-where to now-here?

These words appear to something
for which I have no words.
Or perhaps 'I' is the word
that points to that something?

It is clear, lucid, present
and playfully eludes the net of concepts
yet it never moves.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

however, Michael's concept sounds very poetic:


Love is just a word... a symbol.

Whatever has an opposite... is not real.

Love that is the opposite of hate is not real... it is emotion, feeling, thought, desire.

That which is real has no opposite... it is ALL.

The symbol for All is...

Love

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