Karl Renz - The Myth of Enlightenment

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Karl Renz - The Myth of Enlightenment

Post by Aurora » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:33 pm

I read the book " The Myth of Enligthenment " of Karl Renz, and think it is a very radical and clear book. Makes a perspective quite amazing seem like obvious. In one of the answers he gives to a guestion he writes about Jesus saying. My kingdom is not of this world. I got a whole different meaning about it this time than before. The words was in my head after having read them .
I have had some idea of enlightenment like something the individual realizes and then lives with more happy and not so frustrated than before.
I am on the verge of falling into something more " turning everything aroud"
Something quite different.
Like that the things that happens in the world really does not matter.
Must be the same like awakening to the dream. Seeing the world like a dream, not so real like before. And then something else absolute undescribable, but well known without understanding it, being the only real thing.
Amazing.
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Re: Karl Renz - The Myth of Enlightenment

Post by toombaru » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:52 pm

eldberg wrote:I read the book " The Myth of Enligthenment " of Karl Renz, and think it is a very radical and clear book. Makes a perspective quite amazing seem like obvious. In one of the answers he gives to a guestion he writes about Jesus saying. My kingdom is not of this world. I got a whole different meaning about it this time than before. The words was in my head after having read them .
I have had some idea of enlightenment like something the individual realizes and then lives with more happy and not so frustrated than before.
I am on the verge of falling into something more " turning everything aroud"
Something quite different.
Like that the things that happens in the world really does not matter.
Must be the same like awakening to the dream. Seeing the world like a dream, not so real like before. And then something else absolute undescribable, but well known without understanding it, being the only real thing.
Amazing.




Seeing the world like a dream...is still part of the dream.


Thought flows in a horizontal stream.........The Essence is vertical.



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Re: Karl Renz - The Myth of Enlightenment

Post by Aurora » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:18 pm

toombaru wrote:

Seeing the world like a dream...is still part of the dream.


Thought flows in a horizontal stream.........The Essence is vertical.



toombaru
Oh, really ?

Nice , nice , nice to hear from you again ! missed you!

Love

Ps. I think Essence is 60 degrees to the left, and is elliptic and have small curles on her tail !
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Re: Karl Renz - The Myth of Enlightenment

Post by jeff j » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:05 pm

eldberg wrote:
toombaru wrote:

Seeing the world like a dream...is still part of the dream.

Thought flows in a horizontal stream.........The Essence is vertical.
toombaru

Oh, really ?
Nice , nice , nice to hear from you again ! missed you!
Love
Ps. I think Essence is 60 degrees to the left, and is elliptic and have small curles on her tail !
not sure if this is an enlightened conversation
about truth, geometry or sex...
but it appears they're all somehow related,
in a mythical way at least
:lol:
be yourself, the real fictional character?
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Post by jeff j » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:14 pm

"Thought flows in a horizontal stream.........The Essence is vertical."

Image

what
is at the intersection?

:shock:
be yourself, the real fictional character?
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Post by sara » Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:17 pm

jeff wrote:"Thought flows in a horizontal stream.........The Essence is vertical."

Image

what
is at the intersection


:shock:
Yes
There is only Love
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Post by jeff j » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:46 pm

~dogs roll over...........cats land on their feet~
:?:
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Post by hoopla » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:02 pm

jeff wrote:"Thought flows in a horizontal stream.........The Essence is vertical."

Image

what
is at the intersection?

:shock:
What is at the intersection is fast food and gas stations.....


:shock:





.
-lotta hoopla
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Post by Richard » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:46 pm

Eldberg,

How the fuck is fucking Karl Renz? That's how he talks. Does he write the same way?

If you have found an answer, stick with it and don't let all these experts disuade you. Jesus said, Don't cast your pearls to swine. They will only trample them under foot.

Be your own expert and inspert too.

Peace,
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Post by Aurora » Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:11 pm

Richard wrote:Eldberg,

How the fuck is fucking Karl Renz? That's how he talks. Does he write the same way?

If you have found an answer, stick with it and don't let all these experts disuade you. Jesus said, Don't cast your pearls to swine. They will only trample them under foot.

Be your own expert and inspert too.

Peace,
Richard
Hello Richard!

don't quite understand that question about the fucking. Can it be an accent? I think his writing is very good!

haven't found any answer - just some sort of shift in perspective-

not so worried anymore

Love and Peace

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Post by empty-and-full » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:10 pm

Enlightenment is a lie.

It's a lie perpetuated by a bunch of egos.

Enlightenment is when the story of becoming is overwhelmed by the reality of what is.

Enlightenment is taking a journey so that you can arrive at where you started from, where you've always been and where you are now.
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Post by danny » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:40 pm

this is the strangest forum to be a part of...

feel very strange today. walking around feeling like a bad actor on a stage-set. the idea of awakening... i don't know if it can happen. i dream about it- i dream i am david carse in the jungle. what does it mean?

i enjoyed your o/p, eldberg.
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Post by angela » Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:56 pm

I used to think that 'getting enlightened' would be as probable as winning the lottery, i.e it would most likely, never happen.
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Post by Aurora » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:01 pm

Hello danny!

What is o/p?
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Post by jeff j » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:29 am

stop it!

stop what?

you know what, and you know why,

it is human nature to over-indulge...

look at me, there is not better example...

i'm the idiot that should stopped years ago...

when did i start? when does it start?

it doesn't matter, stop...

there is nothing to find, there never was, there never will be...

so just f'in stop!

the seeker exists noly in relation to
that which is sought, or in duality to the
source that is sought, and presumed to be lost
of missing...

there's a will or a momentum to seek
that is apparently built out of thin air,
out of the marketing of enlightenment,
why does it happen?
how does it happen?
who the hell knows...
it's a virus, it's hear-say,
it's little secrets on the playground,
it's something "i' have that 'you' don't...

and look at these lines of bullshit and stupidity,
look at them and feel sad for me,
look at them and then look at the world out there,
that world is the world for living,
live...accpet what happens...
that is it...call it enlightenment if that makes you happy,
or even if it makes you sad that the search is over,
you're a misguided idiot like me for ever
starting...
it's a hoax,
it's a lie..
it's time
to stop... :shock:
be yourself, the real fictional character?
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