Karl Renz - The Myth of Enlightenment

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Post by empty-and-full » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:52 am

However enlightenment isn't a complete lie.

It's only a lie if you see that all other thoughts are lies too.

If you're still lost in the world of thoughts, enlightenment can still seem very real.
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Post by hoopla » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:39 am

empty-and-full wrote:However enlightenment isn't a complete lie.

It's only a lie if you see that all other thoughts are lies too.

If you're still lost in the world of thoughts, enlightenment can still seem very real.

"Enlightenment" as a word is just another word and a linear expression of reasoning and thinking.

What is beyond only a few know,
and as yet, can not be shared,
even from the softest of lips and air,
words of that which are not there.

Did that impress anyone? Hmmm, what part needs reworking. How should I change it? Maybe it sounds a little too much like lecturing. Maybe I should just say "Hey, from what I hear it's Absolutely great!"



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Post by stacey » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:48 am

are you getting that mixed up with "the final frontier"....
star trek....intro...?

and could chapped lips make any difference? :lol:

sounded a bit poetic and effiminate and a vit like Vodka
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Post by hoopla » Thu Feb 22, 2007 5:08 am

sounded a bit poetic and effiminate and a vit like Vodka[/quote wrote:
Good critque!

So...you could smell it on my breath?

:o





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Post by Many Of One » Thu Feb 22, 2007 1:03 pm

hoopla wrote:What is beyond only a few know,
and as yet, can not be shared,
even from the softest of lips and air,
words of that which are not there.
The beyond is here already,
knowing is all there is.
That which doesn't know,
is that which is known.
hoopla wrote:Maybe I should just say "Hey, from what I hear it's Absolutely great!"
:lol:
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Post by Many Of One » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:48 pm

Many Of One wrote:The beyond is here already,
knowing is all there is.
That which doesn't know,
is that which is known.
Maybe I should add this bit as well...
hoopla wrote:Did that impress anyone? Hmmm, what part needs reworking. How should I change it? Maybe it sounds a little too much like lecturing.
From lecturer to lecturer : an endless dialogue (from what I remember of college) :D
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Post by danny » Thu Feb 22, 2007 2:54 pm

o/p = original post, as far as i'm aware.

i like it here, i don't have to pretend to be anything other than stupid and dull... :)

altho, it also seems to be entirely pointless to be here. or is that just me? everything seems kind of pointless. it's not 'me' doing it, so... it happens. i like it...
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Post by empty-and-full » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:18 pm

danny wrote:o/p = original post, as far as i'm aware.

i like it here, i don't have to pretend to be anything other than stupid and dull... :)

altho, it also seems to be entirely pointless to be here. or is that just me? everything seems kind of pointless. it's not 'me' doing it, so... it happens. i like it...
What's your point??? :lol:
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Post by hoopla » Thu Feb 22, 2007 4:45 pm

Many Of One wrote: The beyond is here already,
knowing is all there is.
That which doesn't know,
is that which is known.

:lol:
That's worth an A+ in any school!

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But the irony is that no matter what is said or thought it is....

I think these little guys below say it best:

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Post by danny » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:04 pm

empty-and-full wrote: What's your point??? :lol:
well, quite... :)

i suppose i still feel there's something i should be doing, but i don't know what...
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Post by michael » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:26 am

Many Of One wrote:
The beyond is here already,
knowing is all there is.
That which doesn't know,
is that which is known.
and that which is known is inseparable from the knowing of it...

though this that is known is 'all there is' to know

the whole enchilda
includes...

seeing
hearing
tasting
feeling
smelling

and though
knowing only knows
and seeing only sees
and hearing only hears
and smelling only smells
and tasting only tastes
and feeling only feels

through power alone
do these dance in concord

inseparable all...

One/No-One...

Love
From Source to Source: an Endless Spring
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Post by Many Of One » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:52 am

danny wrote:i suppose i still feel there's something i should be doing, but i don't know what...
I felt like this until I realised that that was what was being done. :D
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Post by Many Of One » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:11 am

michael wrote:and though
knowing only knows
and seeing only sees
and hearing only hears
and smelling only smells
and tasting only tastes
and feeling only feels

through power alone
do these dance in concord
Not sure what this is saying, could you clarify what you mean by 'power' bit please.
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Post by Many Of One » Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:09 am

Is it the power of thought (memory\imagination) that weaves these sensations into a story\dance?

Hmmmm, but thought is just another sensation.

The sensation that these sensations 'dance in concord'.

One/No-One dances and the story appears?
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Post by Richard » Fri Feb 23, 2007 4:38 pm

eldberg wrote:
Richard wrote:Eldberg,

How the fuck is fucking Karl Renz? That's how he talks. Does he write the same way?

If you have found an answer, stick with it and don't let all these experts disuade you. Jesus said, Don't cast your pearls to swine. They will only trample them under foot.

Be your own expert and inspert too.

Peace,
Richard
Hello Richard!

don't quite understand that question about the fucking. Can it be an accent? I think his writing is very good!

haven't found any answer - just some sort of shift in perspective-

not so worried anymore

Love and Peace

eldberg
Hi Eldberg,

I saw videos of Karl Renz and he cursed a bit in them. I wanted to know if this language carried over to his writing.

That's irrelevant. The important thing is that you have a better perspective and are happier. I gather from your posts that you are a decent person. My wish for you is that you have a happy life. And why not? If I can be happy (and I am), living with all kinds of medical stuff, anyone can have happiness, which some say is our basic constitution.

When Norman Vincent Peale was asked why he was a happy person he replied, "I am happy because I am smart. Each morning I wake up and have the decision whether to be happy or unhappy. And I am smart enough to choose to be happy."

Peace,
Richard
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