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Re: Yellow Headed Blackbirds

Post by heron » Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:18 pm

Many Of One wrote:
heron wrote:
Many Of One wrote:
heron wrote:
Many Of One wrote:Awareness IS without the need of stories. So yes anything that appears is only a story. As I mentioned before awareness doesn't appear to itself but knows itself as that which does not appear. This being something that appears is therefore only a story.

:lol:
Yes Moo, the story about That which is not a story/illusion. Religions must have one of these.

'God' save Non-Duality from that fate.
It appears that 'Heron' is trying to 'save Non-Duality from that fate.' But of course Non-Duality does not need saving from itself.

It is only in these words that awareness appears to be story/illusion, as the words try to capture that in which the words appear. Yet the very appearance of the words points to awareness.

If there was no awareness there would be no stories or illusions appearing.
Non-Duality does not need saving yet it tells stories about playing around with itself in the attempt...........like this.

Heron prefers the story which tells that if there was no illusion there would be the absense of All including awareness....................so that All is complete exactly as All already is.
What new riddle is this?? :-k

In the absense of All, All is complete??? :shock:

Surely if All is absent there would be no All to be complete. :?

Anyway isn't Heron's prefered story a story about 'That which is not a story/illusion' that religions must have which you seemed to be against in a previous post???? :roll:
Yes All is complete illusion of separation and therefore not happening, even though it looks like it is .............including this!
heron

Re: Yellow Headed Blackbirds

Post by heron » Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:29 pm

awakening wrote:
heron wrote: That we imagine apparently different stories should be clear. For Leo the story about awareness containing the imagined All, including nothing, points to awareness as not arising within the illusion of separation.
As all 'apparently different objects' have their location in space
space itself -as the 'container' of all locations- has no location;
yet it is all pervading.

Similarly, all 'apparently different stories'
including 'the illusion of separation'
arise in awareness.

Agreeing or disagreeing with this
arises in Awareness
and has as much effect on Awareness
as a rock on the space it occupies.
heron wrote:Here there is no such awareness to be imagined as not dream and therefore no 'Once this is seen then that which is not dream has been seen'.
As there is only here, there is no such imagination here either. No imagination declaring it all dream or reality, nor the denying thereof. The noticing of the presence or absence of such imagination appears in Awareness.

heron wrote:All is already Complete exactly as All already is and the above seeing, or seeing what is apparently being said in this post, is totally irrelevant.................in this story anyway.
Of course, although i would probably not use the word 'already',
'All is indeed already Complete exactly as All already is'
And all can only be All
-including and excluding awakening and dreaming-
and all other imagined pairs of duality,
or it would not be All.

Is there anything you read that makes claims to the contrary?
If there is, then that is how It is.

All this
-including the belief that it is not-
is appearing in Awareness.

Or we could say
that whatever appears
is Awareness appearing to itself
as whatever appears.


What is Awareness?
Simple and clear.
IT is THAT
which knows the reading of these words...
but as IT is not an 'is'
nor an 'is not'
I have no idea what IT is...
or not. :wink:





Awareness, which for Leo is neither dream or not dream, is for heron just dream...........like this.

There is no point to any of heron's posts which are only meant to have illusory effects in the play.
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Re: Yellow Headed Blackbirds

Post by awakening » Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:55 pm

heron wrote:
Awareness, which for Leo is neither dream or not dream, is for heron just dream...........like this.

There is no point to any of heron's posts which are only meant to have illusory effects in the play.
Aware of the idea that it is just a dream... 8)
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Post by joy » Tue Jun 26, 2007 6:07 pm

Actually, haven’t you noticed that your artistic sensitivity and awareness of distinctions has become more acute, richer, and deeper….. not less

I am sure you felt, now that you are “less in the way of yourself’ so to speak or ‘more aware and open’ , that every little thing has now become alive with light and beauty and its very own distinct ‘difference’. Without the ‘old concepts’ standing the way, the Yellow Headed Blackbird is more lush and rich and ‘individual’ than it ever was ‘before’ ( when the mind was cluttered with ‘self-centeredness’)

When you discovered that it was actually ‘you’ who was not ‘there’ and let go the ‘me sense’….then all the things around you, everything got even more distinctive, more intense with beauty and color and depth and wonder and, in a away, everything has become ever so much more ‘real’. Music, sounds, feelings, touch, intuition, color, hearing, sights, lights, and delights became ever more distinct in your daily living perceptions.

Without the ‘old view’ cluttering our minds, it is amazing how our ability to distinguish and name, actually increases, and increases enormously.

Somehow, as many of you all notice, once the ‘concepts’ are seen for what they are, then the direct interface with all of Life makes us super aware of new sights that we had previously been unconscious of; new sounds we have never consciously heard before; feelings we long since thought had vanished with the years, come back alive again. But more, we find an ever growing ability to distinguish new things in areas not recognized as containing new things— the world comes alive again and so do we.

Many things that once were just familiar have now become filled with rare and extraordinary beauty….. naming them does not affect the marvelous artistic sensitivity that has been awakened....for me, finding 'new' names is more issue.

As you all have noticed, I am sure, those familiar things are now even more distinguishable by size, shape, color, designs, softness, roughness, sounds….distinctions and acute and our sensitivity is more alive….and your perceptions become more intuitive as this wakefulness picks up on things that ‘others’ are less prone to notice.


The Jacaranda tree in full bloom in an abundant array of lavender-blue and it is so much more different than that the mighty Oak standing near by….in the past I would not have noticed this so much, my mind filled with past and future and all the distractions of fear and worry and ‘me, me, me’ what about me’……

But now, oh now, I wish I had even more words, more names to name it all, more ways to describe this wonder that is increasingly distinict in ever-growing mulititudes of individuality and uniqueness in my world. I need words and names that are not even yet available, so that I could speak of things that have been until now, unseen and unheard of …..


With the former restrictions vanishing from our eyes, the old patterns of mind-set brake away and habit steps out of our lives…..Light and freedom make every thing, both seen and unseen, absolutely more mystical, distinct, and individual and such a wonder behold, live, immerse ourselves in and embrace.


And I bet you have also found that others who are still at the (necessary) stage of only intellectual understanding of non-dualism, think you ‘sound like’ you are making very ‘conceptual-judgemental’ statements. But, not to be concerned, for they have not discovered the Real and Living heart of Awareness Itself that you have found….yet, yet….but they will....and then they too will run with it......

Oddly true, as paradoxical as it may sound, but in fact, it is through contradistinctions, that Singleness is tangibly known.

Bible Hab.2-2 “Write the vision make it plain”
There is a wonder in every word that we write.

As you too have discovered for your selves, when we are no longer living a life in illusory fear of the world, we are not congested in our minds eyes….and now we can see clearly, and farther, much farther, and deeper. Here and Now the Heart blooms in Light.

Thanks, Joy
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Post by awakening » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:04 pm

And thank you too Joy
for this joyful writing.
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Post by toombaru » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:38 pm

awakening wrote:And thank you too Joy
for this joyful writing.



Yes indeed.



.........Like falling onto a perpetual refresh button.





:lol:




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Re: Swallow Tailed Surfbirds

Post by lane » Tue Jun 26, 2007 7:41 pm

Many Of One wrote: Like two waves on the ocean neither better or worse than the other they still maintain the same oceanic mystery.

Fantastic! :D

PS. The confusion is also a wave and it has beauty too. :D
Tell that to this here illusionist and see were that ends up....a fascinating story to say the least.....
Image
:D
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Re: Yellow Headed Blackbirds

Post by michael » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:06 am

heron wrote:
michael wrote:
heron wrote:
michael wrote:
heron wrote:
awakening wrote:
heron wrote:Imagine a story about Nothing.
Of course it is possible to imagine a story about nothing, which would be the absence of everything including Awareness, but it is Awareness in which this imagining is known and appears. In the end Nothingness itself is unimaginable as every idea about it is again 'something' and therefore not no-thing.
heron wrote:What would there be in that Nothing to be awareness?
Nothing does not contain awareness
it is awareness that contains the imagined nothing.

Like space both fills and contains an empty pot
Awareness fills and contains everything
and is not exclusively IN 'something.'

Everything
-including the appearance of imagining a story about nothing-
appears in Awareness
and is 'no-thing' but Awareness
appearing to itself as such a story.


That we imagine apparently different stories should be clear. For Leo the story about awareness containing the imagined All, including nothing, points to awareness as not arising within the illusion of separation.

Here there is no such awareness to be imagined as not dream and therefore no 'Once this is seen then that which is not dream has been seen'.

All is already Complete exactly as All already is and the above seeing, or seeing what is apparently being said in this post, is totally irrelevant.................in this story anyway.
irrelevant indeed...

men speak of the 'observing and observed' as if they are two...

yet only the 'observed' appears...

and since it 'comes and goes', it appears to be an 'illusion'...

as the 'observing' cannot be observed, it appears to be an assumption...

but 'awareness of the assumption' is itself an 'observation'... that 'comes and goes'... and is thus an 'illusion'...

in the absence of colours (including black and white), there is nothing to see... so who can then say: "here is seeing"...

in the absence of sounds, there is nothing to hear... so who can then say: "here is hearing"...

in the absence of feelings, there is nothing to feel... so who can then say: "here is feeling"

in the absence of flavours, there is nothing to taste... so who can then say: "here is tasting"

in the absence of odours, there is nothing to smell... so who can then say: "here is smelling"

in the absence of 'ideas/meaning' remembered... there is nothing to know... so who can then say: "here is knowing"

in the absence of all sensations there is no appearance at all... nothing at all to be 'aware of'... no one to say (or think): "here is awareness"...

without its image (the observed), 'awareness' is a meaningless symbol

but even with its image, 'awareness' is a meaningless symbol...

which is to say, 'awareness' cannot be defined

this that now perceives these apparent words is 'symbolised' by the apparent word: "awareness"...

it is neither sleeping nor awake
neither dreaming nor not dreaming

unlike the 'observed', it neither comes nor goes

it cannot disappear, for it never appears...

yet how plain...

Love
The illusory difference between stories is plain to heron in an illusory sort of way.
it can never be plain to heron... for he is the illusion... as is michael... :D

Love
What 'it' !?
ahhh... so that's the apparent problem... :D

this question is like the apparent 'payments and receipts problem'...

there really is no problem...

'it' is an 'illusory problem'... 8)

'it' appears only when the question is asked... :D

Love
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Re: Swallow Tailed Surfbirds

Post by michael » Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:08 am

lane wrote:
Many Of One wrote: Like two waves on the ocean neither better or worse than the other they still maintain the same oceanic mystery.

Fantastic! :D

PS. The confusion is also a wave and it has beauty too. :D
Tell that to this here illusionist and see were that ends up....a fascinating story to say the least.....
Image
:D
great image of living in the fast 'lane'... 8)

nice to see you around again...

Love
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Re: Yellow Headed Blackbirds

Post by heron » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:51 am

awakening wrote:
heron wrote:
Awareness, which for Leo is neither dream or not dream, is for heron just dream...........like this.

There is no point to any of heron's posts which are only meant to have illusory effects in the play.
Aware of the idea that it is just a dream... 8)
Yes apparently.......but not 'really'
heron

Re: Yellow Headed Blackbirds

Post by heron » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:55 am

michael wrote:
heron wrote:
michael wrote:
heron wrote:
michael wrote:
heron wrote:
awakening wrote:
heron wrote:Imagine a story about Nothing.
Of course it is possible to imagine a story about nothing, which would be the absence of everything including Awareness, but it is Awareness in which this imagining is known and appears. In the end Nothingness itself is unimaginable as every idea about it is again 'something' and therefore not no-thing.
heron wrote:What would there be in that Nothing to be awareness?
Nothing does not contain awareness
it is awareness that contains the imagined nothing.

Like space both fills and contains an empty pot
Awareness fills and contains everything
and is not exclusively IN 'something.'

Everything
-including the appearance of imagining a story about nothing-
appears in Awareness
and is 'no-thing' but Awareness
appearing to itself as such a story.


That we imagine apparently different stories should be clear. For Leo the story about awareness containing the imagined All, including nothing, points to awareness as not arising within the illusion of separation.

Here there is no such awareness to be imagined as not dream and therefore no 'Once this is seen then that which is not dream has been seen'.

All is already Complete exactly as All already is and the above seeing, or seeing what is apparently being said in this post, is totally irrelevant.................in this story anyway.
irrelevant indeed...

men speak of the 'observing and observed' as if they are two...

yet only the 'observed' appears...

and since it 'comes and goes', it appears to be an 'illusion'...

as the 'observing' cannot be observed, it appears to be an assumption...

but 'awareness of the assumption' is itself an 'observation'... that 'comes and goes'... and is thus an 'illusion'...

in the absence of colours (including black and white), there is nothing to see... so who can then say: "here is seeing"...

in the absence of sounds, there is nothing to hear... so who can then say: "here is hearing"...

in the absence of feelings, there is nothing to feel... so who can then say: "here is feeling"

in the absence of flavours, there is nothing to taste... so who can then say: "here is tasting"

in the absence of odours, there is nothing to smell... so who can then say: "here is smelling"

in the absence of 'ideas/meaning' remembered... there is nothing to know... so who can then say: "here is knowing"

in the absence of all sensations there is no appearance at all... nothing at all to be 'aware of'... no one to say (or think): "here is awareness"...

without its image (the observed), 'awareness' is a meaningless symbol

but even with its image, 'awareness' is a meaningless symbol...

which is to say, 'awareness' cannot be defined

this that now perceives these apparent words is 'symbolised' by the apparent word: "awareness"...

it is neither sleeping nor awake
neither dreaming nor not dreaming

unlike the 'observed', it neither comes nor goes

it cannot disappear, for it never appears...

yet how plain...

Love
The illusory difference between stories is plain to heron in an illusory sort of way.
it can never be plain to heron... for he is the illusion... as is michael... :D

Love
What 'it' !?
ahhh... so that's the apparent problem... :D

this question is like the apparent 'payments and receipts problem'...

there really is no problem...

'it' is an 'illusory problem'... 8)

'it' appears only when the question is asked... :D

Love
Yes.................just as there is no 'it' there is also no 'seeing', 'knowing' or 'awareness'.............or this!
heron

Post by heron » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:58 am

joy wrote:Actually, haven’t you noticed that your artistic sensitivity and awareness of distinctions has become more acute, richer, and deeper….. not less

I am sure you felt, now that you are “less in the way of yourself’ so to speak or ‘more aware and open’ , that every little thing has now become alive with light and beauty and its very own distinct ‘difference’. Without the ‘old concepts’ standing the way, the Yellow Headed Blackbird is more lush and rich and ‘individual’ than it ever was ‘before’ ( when the mind was cluttered with ‘self-centeredness’)

When you discovered that it was actually ‘you’ who was not ‘there’ and let go the ‘me sense’….then all the things around you, everything got even more distinctive, more intense with beauty and color and depth and wonder and, in a away, everything has become ever so much more ‘real’. Music, sounds, feelings, touch, intuition, color, hearing, sights, lights, and delights became ever more distinct in your daily living perceptions.

Without the ‘old view’ cluttering our minds, it is amazing how our ability to distinguish and name, actually increases, and increases enormously.

Somehow, as many of you all notice, once the ‘concepts’ are seen for what they are, then the direct interface with all of Life makes us super aware of new sights that we had previously been unconscious of; new sounds we have never consciously heard before; feelings we long since thought had vanished with the years, come back alive again. But more, we find an ever growing ability to distinguish new things in areas not recognized as containing new things— the world comes alive again and so do we.

Many things that once were just familiar have now become filled with rare and extraordinary beauty….. naming them does not affect the marvelous artistic sensitivity that has been awakened....for me, finding 'new' names is more issue.

As you all have noticed, I am sure, those familiar things are now even more distinguishable by size, shape, color, designs, softness, roughness, sounds….distinctions and acute and our sensitivity is more alive….and your perceptions become more intuitive as this wakefulness picks up on things that ‘others’ are less prone to notice.


The Jacaranda tree in full bloom in an abundant array of lavender-blue and it is so much more different than that the mighty Oak standing near by….in the past I would not have noticed this so much, my mind filled with past and future and all the distractions of fear and worry and ‘me, me, me’ what about me’……

But now, oh now, I wish I had even more words, more names to name it all, more ways to describe this wonder that is increasingly distinict in ever-growing mulititudes of individuality and uniqueness in my world. I need words and names that are not even yet available, so that I could speak of things that have been until now, unseen and unheard of …..


With the former restrictions vanishing from our eyes, the old patterns of mind-set brake away and habit steps out of our lives…..Light and freedom make every thing, both seen and unseen, absolutely more mystical, distinct, and individual and such a wonder behold, live, immerse ourselves in and embrace.


And I bet you have also found that others who are still at the (necessary) stage of only intellectual understanding of non-dualism, think you ‘sound like’ you are making very ‘conceptual-judgemental’ statements. But, not to be concerned, for they have not discovered the Real and Living heart of Awareness Itself that you have found….yet, yet….but they will....and then they too will run with it......

Oddly true, as paradoxical as it may sound, but in fact, it is through contradistinctions, that Singleness is tangibly known.

Bible Hab.2-2 “Write the vision make it plain”
There is a wonder in every word that we write.

As you too have discovered for your selves, when we are no longer living a life in illusory fear of the world, we are not congested in our minds eyes….and now we can see clearly, and farther, much farther, and deeper. Here and Now the Heart blooms in Light.

Thanks, Joy
Onward Non-Dual Soldiers !!!
heron

Re: Yellow Headed Blackbirds

Post by heron » Wed Jun 27, 2007 10:01 am

heron wrote:
michael wrote:
heron wrote:
michael wrote:
heron wrote:
michael wrote:
heron wrote:
awakening wrote:
heron wrote:Imagine a story about Nothing.
Of course it is possible to imagine a story about nothing, which would be the absence of everything including Awareness, but it is Awareness in which this imagining is known and appears. In the end Nothingness itself is unimaginable as every idea about it is again 'something' and therefore not no-thing.
heron wrote:What would there be in that Nothing to be awareness?
Nothing does not contain awareness
it is awareness that contains the imagined nothing.

Like space both fills and contains an empty pot
Awareness fills and contains everything
and is not exclusively IN 'something.'

Everything
-including the appearance of imagining a story about nothing-
appears in Awareness
and is 'no-thing' but Awareness
appearing to itself as such a story.


That we imagine apparently different stories should be clear. For Leo the story about awareness containing the imagined All, including nothing, points to awareness as not arising within the illusion of separation.

Here there is no such awareness to be imagined as not dream and therefore no 'Once this is seen then that which is not dream has been seen'.

All is already Complete exactly as All already is and the above seeing, or seeing what is apparently being said in this post, is totally irrelevant.................in this story anyway.
irrelevant indeed...

men speak of the 'observing and observed' as if they are two...

yet only the 'observed' appears...

and since it 'comes and goes', it appears to be an 'illusion'...

as the 'observing' cannot be observed, it appears to be an assumption...

but 'awareness of the assumption' is itself an 'observation'... that 'comes and goes'... and is thus an 'illusion'...

in the absence of colours (including black and white), there is nothing to see... so who can then say: "here is seeing"...

in the absence of sounds, there is nothing to hear... so who can then say: "here is hearing"...

in the absence of feelings, there is nothing to feel... so who can then say: "here is feeling"

in the absence of flavours, there is nothing to taste... so who can then say: "here is tasting"

in the absence of odours, there is nothing to smell... so who can then say: "here is smelling"

in the absence of 'ideas/meaning' remembered... there is nothing to know... so who can then say: "here is knowing"

in the absence of all sensations there is no appearance at all... nothing at all to be 'aware of'... no one to say (or think): "here is awareness"...

without its image (the observed), 'awareness' is a meaningless symbol

but even with its image, 'awareness' is a meaningless symbol...

which is to say, 'awareness' cannot be defined

this that now perceives these apparent words is 'symbolised' by the apparent word: "awareness"...

it is neither sleeping nor awake
neither dreaming nor not dreaming

unlike the 'observed', it neither comes nor goes

it cannot disappear, for it never appears...

yet how plain...

Love
The illusory difference between stories is plain to heron in an illusory sort of way.
it can never be plain to heron... for he is the illusion... as is michael... :D

Love
What 'it' !?
ahhh... so that's the apparent problem... :D

this question is like the apparent 'payments and receipts problem'...

there really is no problem...

'it' is an 'illusory problem'... 8)

'it' appears only when the question is asked... :D

Love
Yes.................just as there is no 'it' there is also no 'seeing', 'knowing' or 'awareness'.............or this!
.....................other than in the illsion of difference...............like this.
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Re: Yellow Headed Blackbirds

Post by Many Of One » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:45 am

heron wrote:
Many Of One wrote:
heron wrote:
Many Of One wrote:
heron wrote:
Many Of One wrote:Awareness IS without the need of stories. So yes anything that appears is only a story. As I mentioned before awareness doesn't appear to itself but knows itself as that which does not appear. This being something that appears is therefore only a story.

:lol:
Yes Moo, the story about That which is not a story/illusion. Religions must have one of these.

'God' save Non-Duality from that fate.
It appears that 'Heron' is trying to 'save Non-Duality from that fate.' But of course Non-Duality does not need saving from itself.

It is only in these words that awareness appears to be story/illusion, as the words try to capture that in which the words appear. Yet the very appearance of the words points to awareness.

If there was no awareness there would be no stories or illusions appearing.
Non-Duality does not need saving yet it tells stories about playing around with itself in the attempt...........like this.

Heron prefers the story which tells that if there was no illusion there would be the absense of All including awareness....................so that All is complete exactly as All already is.
What new riddle is this?? :-k

In the absense of All, All is complete??? :shock:

Surely if All is absent there would be no All to be complete. :?

Anyway isn't Heron's prefered story a story about 'That which is not a story/illusion' that religions must have which you seemed to be against in a previous post???? :roll:
Yes All is complete illusion of separation and therefore not happening, even though it looks like it is .............including this!
Hmmmm, you've totally lost me there. Not quite sure how you came to that conclusion.

Here's 'my' conclusion...
All is complete, illusion is seperation therefore not seperate even though it looks like it is............including this.
Who wrote this?
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Post by danny » Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:53 am

do you know what I'm getting from this thread? really massive boxes! :D
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