Satguru

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Satguru

Post by empty-and-full » Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:56 pm

I'm in love. :D
In the full Satguru, all AMness has disappeared except that miniscule energy necessary for the bodymind to remain in appearance. Essentially, when they are on their own, they are like the perfectly calm pond in absolute peace. No thoughts, as we would recognize them. When somebody appears before them, a ripple is created on the pond to give them sufficient appearance of personality to interact. Once the interaction is completed, they return to silence. We are not capable of understanding what that really means, or feels like.
The ‘I’ of the ‘I AM’ in the Jnani now disappears as well. Remember that the ‘I’ was the perceiver of the ‘AM’. In the Satguru, there is no concept of a perceiver in the first stages of Satguru. There is only ‘perceiving’ happening. At full Satguru even the ‘perceiving’ ceases. Now there is only ‘IS’. This is beyond conceptualization with the mind.
Further, as their ‘natural’ personality disappears, the personality of those around them seems to disappear. They perceive less and less distinctions of individual personalities. Eventually, they literally disappear as a personality to others, and the other personalities effectively disappear to them.
All goals, desires, and concepts have fallen away. Dis-passion (impartiality) deepens.
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Re: Satguru

Post by aquarius » Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:11 pm

empty-and-full wrote:I'm in love. :D
In the full Satguru, all AMness has disappeared except that miniscule energy necessary for the bodymind to remain in appearance. Essentially, when they are on their own, they are like the perfectly calm pond in absolute peace. No thoughts, as we would recognize them. When somebody appears before them, a ripple is created on the pond to give them sufficient appearance of personality to interact. Once the interaction is completed, they return to silence. We are not capable of understanding what that really means, or feels like.
The ‘I’ of the ‘I AM’ in the Jnani now disappears as well. Remember that the ‘I’ was the perceiver of the ‘AM’. In the Satguru, there is no concept of a perceiver in the first stages of Satguru. There is only ‘perceiving’ happening. At full Satguru even the ‘perceiving’ ceases. Now there is only ‘IS’. This is beyond conceptualization with the mind.
Further, as their ‘natural’ personality disappears, the personality of those around them seems to disappear. They perceive less and less distinctions of individual personalities. Eventually, they literally disappear as a personality to others, and the other personalities effectively disappear to them.
All goals, desires, and concepts have fallen away. Dis-passion (impartiality) deepens.

[wink] empty& full

I like this quote, where did it come from ?

Thanks

:wink:
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Re: Satguru

Post by toombaru » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:42 pm

aquarius wrote:
empty-and-full wrote:I'm in love. :D
In the full Satguru, all AMness has disappeared except that miniscule energy necessary for the bodymind to remain in appearance. Essentially, when they are on their own, they are like the perfectly calm pond in absolute peace. No thoughts, as we would recognize them. When somebody appears before them, a ripple is created on the pond to give them sufficient appearance of personality to interact. Once the interaction is completed, they return to silence. We are not capable of understanding what that really means, or feels like.
The ‘I’ of the ‘I AM’ in the Jnani now disappears as well. Remember that the ‘I’ was the perceiver of the ‘AM’. In the Satguru, there is no concept of a perceiver in the first stages of Satguru. There is only ‘perceiving’ happening. At full Satguru even the ‘perceiving’ ceases. Now there is only ‘IS’. This is beyond conceptualization with the mind.
Further, as their ‘natural’ personality disappears, the personality of those around them seems to disappear. They perceive less and less distinctions of individual personalities. Eventually, they literally disappear as a personality to others, and the other personalities effectively disappear to them.
All goals, desires, and concepts have fallen away. Dis-passion (impartiality) deepens.

[wink] empty& full

I like this quote, where did it come from ?

Thanks

:wink:


It came from you.





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Post by empty-and-full » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:48 pm

Hi aquarius,

It's from this site:

http://www.parama.com/html/body_stages.html

Don't forget to read the disclaimer at the end. :P
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Re: Satguru

Post by jeff j » Fri Sep 21, 2007 5:57 pm

seeker of quotes wrote:
belief in Satguru
reliance on an-other, any 'other'
(requires deep conditioned belief(s) in duality)
if u find your true guru,
and yore g-u-r-u ain't u,
then what have you found ?, :lol: ,
and what is it worth to any one?


edit:

The ‘I’ of the ‘I AM’ in the now.... is
beyond conceptualization with the mind.

(look, go, edit)
Further,

‘natural’
goals, desires,
deepen(s).


empty& full
this quote,
(w)here did it
come from ?
does it go to?
(w)here is it when it does not come or go?

be yourself, the real fictional character?
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Re: Satguru

Post by empty-and-full » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:20 pm

jeff wrote:
seeker of quotes wrote:
belief in Satguru
reliance on an-other, any 'other'
(requires deep conditioned belief(s) in duality)
if u find your true guru,
and yore g-u-r-u ain't u,
then what have you found ?, :lol: ,
and what is it worth to any one?


edit:

The ‘I’ of the ‘I AM’ in the now.... is
beyond conceptualization with the mind.

(look, go, edit)
Further,

‘natural’
goals, desires,
deepen(s).


empty& full
this quote,
(w)here did it
come from ?
does it go to?
(w)here is it when it does not come or go?

Jeff,

You've just ruined my dream, you've burst my bubble.

Thanks! :lol:
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Re: Satguru

Post by aquarius » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:45 pm

empty-and-full wrote:
jeff wrote:
seeker of quotes wrote:
belief in Satguru
reliance on an-other, any 'other'
(requires deep conditioned belief(s) in duality)
if u find your true guru,
and yore g-u-r-u ain't u,
then what have you found ?, :lol: ,
and what is it worth to any one?


edit:

The ‘I’ of the ‘I AM’ in the now.... is
beyond conceptualization with the mind.

(look, go, edit)
Further,

‘natural’
goals, desires,
deepen(s).


empty& full
this quote,
(w)here did it
come from ?
does it go to?
(w)here is it when it does not come or go?

Jeff,

You've just ruined my dream, you've burst my bubble.

Thanks! :lol:

And Mine Too! :lol:

Thanks e & f for the link :wink:
I love talking about nothing ...
it is the only thing i know anything about.
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Joined: Thu Dec 07, 2006 3:49 pm

Post by jeff j » Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:58 pm

and an-other thing

i am whatever i say i am,
i am not whatever i say i am,
i am whatever i say i am not,
i am what...ever
:lol:

gurus,
sages,
writers of truths...

all seekers,
who may have not
gone all the way
beyond the idea
of their own character...
big deal,
they're in-tertaining,
quotable,
and wear comfortable clothing...
who
would wish
to go further?
:lol:
be yourself, the real fictional character?
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Post by aquarius » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:10 pm

jeff wrote:and an-other thing

i am whatever i say i am,
i am not whatever i say i am,
i am whatever i say i am not,
i am what...ever
:lol:

gurus,
sages,
writers of truths...

all seekers,
who may have not
gone all the way
beyond the idea
of their own character...
big deal,
they're in-tertaining,
quotable,
and wear comfortable clothing...
who
would wish
to go further?
:lol:

jeff,
but isn't this how evolution moves on toward greater- ness ness! :lol:
I like the comfortable clothing thing :wink:


[tanz]
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it is the only thing i know anything about.
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Post by jeff j » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:32 pm

who or what
could possibly lie
be~yond
comfy clothes
and a happy flock
of followers
waiting for the next
perfect phrase


?
be yourself, the real fictional character?
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Post by jeff j » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:34 pm

be yourself, the real fictional character?
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Post by jeff j » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:39 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOM

Deo Optimo Maximo, Latin for 'to the Greatest and Best God', originally Jove, later the Christian God

Dissolved organic matter or dead organic matter, in soil chemistry

:lol:
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Post by aquarius » Fri Sep 21, 2007 7:42 pm

jeff wrote:who or what
could possibly lie
be~yond
comfy clothes
and a happy flock
of followers
waiting for the next
perfect phrase


?

Nothing but what is already. :wink:

l o v e

and is- ness :lol:
I love talking about nothing ...
it is the only thing i know anything about.
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Post by toombaru » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:21 pm

aquarius wrote:
jeff wrote:who or what
could possibly lie
be~yond
comfy clothes
and a happy flock
of followers
waiting for the next
perfect phrase


?

Nothing but what is already. :wink:

l o v e

and is- ness :lol:




Ultimately...............It all boils down to nothing.




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Post by empty-and-full » Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:01 am

Before the question is asked, you have already arrived.
Before taking a step,
you are already home.

Dear Friend - dear because you are the bedrock upon which and through which this lovely world exists.

This site began at the end of 1991 as a list of teachers we (a group of personal friends scattered about in several countries) knew personally, and liked. Now after more than a decade things have changed - we have ceased to care about the search, the path, teachers, or indeed about awakening at all. Such concepts are no longer of interest.

It seems to us rather, that life is very simple and vibrant. Sometimes it is easy. Sometimes not. But for us the central actor seems, somehow to have miraculously bowed out of the play. Hence we have trimmed down this site, leaving just a few things that people over the years have written to say they enjoyed.

We wish you love and life and joy. May you never find what it is you think you are seeking, but rediscover instead the eternal presence of your own absence.

Words are of no use. All that appears is simply the Self seeing itself through the form. In this dance of appearance we sometimes forget to turn around and look at the Light in which all that appears is formed. –Amber
http://www.sentient.org/about/about-this-site.html
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