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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:26 pm

There are many things that I can doubt, but I cannot doubt my own consciousness in this moment. My consciousness and even if I tried to doubt it, it would be my consciousness doubting. I can imagine that my senses are being presented with a fake reality – say, a completely virtual reality or digital reality, which looks real but is merely a series of extremely realist images. But even then, I cannot doubt the consciousness that is doing the watching…

The very undeniability of my present awareness, the undeniability of my consciousness, immediately delivers to me a certainty of existence in this moment, a certainty of Being in the now-ness of this moment. I cannot doubt consciousness and Being in this moment, for it is the ground of all knowing, all seeing, all existing…

Who am I? Ask that question over and over again, deeply. Who am I? What is it in me that is conscious of everything?

If you think that you know Spirit, or if you think you don’t, Spirit is actually that which is thinking both of those thoughts. So you can doubt the objects of consciousness, but you can never believably doubt the doubter, never really doubt the Witness of the entire display. Therefore, rest in the Witness, whether it is thinking that it knows God or not, and that witnessing, that undeniable immediacy of now-consciousness, is itself God, Spirit, Buddha-mind. The certainty lies in the pure self-felt Consciousness to which objects appear, not in the objects themselves. You will never, never, never see God, because God is the Seer, not any finite, mortal, bounded object that can be seen…

This pure I AM state is not hard to achieve but impossible to escape, because it is ever present and can never really be doubted. You can never run from Spirit, because Spirit is the Runner. To put it very bluntly, Spirit is not hard to find but impossible to avoid: it is that which is looking at this page right now. Can’t you feel That One? Why on earth do you keep looking for God when God is actually the Looker?

Simply ask, Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?

I am aware of my feelings, so I am not my feelings – Who am I? I am aware of my thoughts, so I am not my thoughts – Who am I? Clouds float by in the sky, thoughts float by in the mind, feelings float by in the body – and I am none of those because I can Witness them all.

Moreover, I can doubt that clouds exist, I can doubt that feelings exist, I can doubt that objects of thought exist – but I cannot doubt that the Witness exists in this moment, because the Witness would still be there to witness the doubt.

I am not objects in nature, not feelings in the body, not thoughts in the mind, for I can Witness them all. I am that Witness – a vast, spacious, empty, clear, pure, transparent Openness that impartially notices all that arises, as a mirror spontaneously reflects all its objects…

You can already feel some of this Great Liberation in that, as you rest in the ease of witnessing this moment, you already feel that you are free from the suffocating constriction of mere objects, mere feelings, mere thoughts – they all come and go, but you are that vast, free, empty, open Witness of them all, untouched by their torments and tortures.

This is actually the profound discovery of… the pure divine Self, the formless Witness, causal nothingness, the vast Emptiness in which the entire world arises, stays a bit, and passes. And you are That. You are not the body, not the ego, not nature, not thoughts, not this, not that – you are a vast Emptiness, Freedom, Release, and Liberation.

With this discovery… you are halfway home. You have disidentified from any and all finite objects; you rest as infinite Consciousness. You are free, open, empty, clear, radiant, released, liberated, exalted, drenched in a blissful emptiness that exists prior to space, prior to time, prior to tears and terror, prior to pain and mortality and suffering and death. You have found the great Unborn, the vast Abyss, the unqualifiable Ground of all that is, and all that was, and all that ever shall be.

But why is that only halfway home? Because as you rest in the infinite ease of consciousness, spontaneously aware of all that is arising, there will soon enough come the great catastrophe of Freedom and Fullness: the Witness itself will disappear entirely, and instead of witnessing the sky, you are the sky; instead of touching the earth, you are the earth; instead of hearing the thunder, you are the thunder. You and the entire Kosmos because One Taste – you can drink the Pacific Ocean in a single gulp, hold Mt. Everest in the palm of your hand; supernovas swirl in your heart and the solar system replaces your head…

You are One Taste, the empty mirror that is one with any and all objects that arise in its embrace, a mindlessly vast translucent expanse: infinite, eternal, radiant beyond release. And you… are… That…

So the primary Cartesian dualism – which is simply the dualism between… in here and out there, subject and object, the empty Witness and all things witnessed – is finally undone and overcome in nondual One Taste. Once you actually and fully contact the Witness, then – and only then – can it be transcended into radical Nonduality, and halfway home becomes fully home, here in the ever-present wonder of what is…

And so how do you know that you have finally and really overcome the Cartesian dualism? Very simple: if you really overcome the Cartesian dualism, then you no longer feel that you are on this side of your face looking at the world out there. There is only the world, and you are all of that; you actually feel that you are one with everything that is arising moment to moment. You are not merely on this side of your face looking out there. “In here” and “out there” have become One Taste with a shuddering obviousness and certainty so profound it feels like a five-ton rock just dropped on your head. It is, shall we say, a feeling hard to miss.

At that point, which is actually your ever-present condition, there is no exclusive identity with this particular organism, no constriction of consciousness to the head, a constriction that makes it seem that “you” are in the head looking at the rest of the world out there; there is no binding of attention to the personal bodymind: instead, consciousness is one with all that is arising – a vast, open, transparent, radiant, infinitely Free and infinitely Full expanse that embraces the entire Kosmos, so that every single subject and every single object are erotically united in the Great Embrace of One Taste. You disappear from merely being behind your eyes, and you become the All, you directly and actually feel that your basic identity is everything that is arising moment to moment (just as previously you felt that your identity was with this finite, partial, separate, mortal coil of flesh you call a body). Inside and outside have become One Taste. I tell you, it can happen just like that!

(Source: Boomeritis, Sidebar E: “The Genius Descartes Gets a Postmodern Drubbing: Integral Historiography in a Postmodern Age”. More to be found in The Simple Feeling of Being, a collection of Ken Wilber’s inspirational, mystical and instructional passages drawn from his publications, based on his experiences.)
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Re: Ken Wilber

Post by jeff j » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:09 pm

[quote=""ken wilber""]
There are many things that I can doubt, but I cannot doubt my own consciousness in this moment. My consciousness and even if I tried to doubt it, it would be my consciousness doubting. I can imagine that my senses are being presented with a fake reality – say, a completely virtual reality or digital reality, which looks real but is merely a series of extremely realist images. But even then, I cannot doubt the consciousness that is doing the watching…

The very undeniability of my present awareness, the undeniability of my consciousness, immediately delivers to me a certainty of existence in this moment, a certainty of Being in the now-ness of this moment. I cannot doubt consciousness and Being in this moment, for it is the ground of all knowing, all seeing, all existing…

Who am I? Ask that question over and over again, deeply. Who am I? What is it in me that is conscious of everything?

If you think that you know Spirit, or if you think you don’t, Spirit is actually that which is thinking both of those thoughts. So you can doubt the objects of consciousness, but you can never believably doubt the doubter, never really doubt the Witness of the entire display. Therefore, rest in the Witness, whether it is thinking that it knows God or not, and that witnessing, that undeniable immediacy of now-consciousness, is itself God, Spirit, Buddha-mind. The certainty lies in the pure self-felt Consciousness to which objects appear, not in the objects themselves. You will never, never, never see God, because God is the Seer, not any finite, mortal, bounded object that can be seen…

This pure I AM state is not hard to achieve but impossible to escape, because it is ever present and can never really be doubted. You can never run from Spirit, because Spirit is the Runner. To put it very bluntly, Spirit is not hard to find but impossible to avoid: it is that which is looking at this page right now. Can’t you feel That One? Why on earth do you keep looking for God when God is actually the Looker?

Simply ask, Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?

I am aware of my feelings, so I am not my feelings – Who am I? I am aware of my thoughts, so I am not my thoughts – Who am I? Clouds float by in the sky, thoughts float by in the mind, feelings float by in the body – and I am none of those because I can Witness them all.

Moreover, I can doubt that clouds exist, I can doubt that feelings exist, I can doubt that objects of thought exist – but I cannot doubt that the Witness exists in this moment, because the Witness would still be there to witness the doubt.

I am not objects in nature, not feelings in the body, not thoughts in the mind, for I can Witness them all. I am that Witness – a vast, spacious, empty, clear, pure, transparent Openness that impartially notices all that arises, as a mirror spontaneously reflects all its objects…

You can already feel some of this Great Liberation in that, as you rest in the ease of witnessing this moment, you already feel that you are free from the suffocating constriction of mere objects, mere feelings, mere thoughts – they all come and go, but you are that vast, free, empty, open Witness of them all, untouched by their torments and tortures.

This is actually the profound discovery of… the pure divine Self, the formless Witness, causal nothingness, the vast Emptiness in which the entire world arises, stays a bit, and passes. And you are That. You are not the body, not the ego, not nature, not thoughts, not this, not that – you are a vast Emptiness, Freedom, Release, and Liberation.

With this discovery… you are halfway home. You have disidentified from any and all finite objects; you rest as infinite Consciousness. You are free, open, empty, clear, radiant, released, liberated, exalted, drenched in a blissful emptiness that exists prior to space, prior to time, prior to tears and terror, prior to pain and mortality and suffering and death. You have found the great Unborn, the vast Abyss, the unqualifiable Ground of all that is, and all that was, and all that ever shall be.

But why is that only halfway home? Because as you rest in the infinite ease of consciousness, spontaneously aware of all that is arising, there will soon enough come the great catastrophe of Freedom and Fullness: the Witness itself will disappear entirely, and instead of witnessing the sky, you are the sky; instead of touching the earth, you are the earth; instead of hearing the thunder, you are the thunder. You and the entire Kosmos because One Taste – you can drink the Pacific Ocean in a single gulp, hold Mt. Everest in the palm of your hand; supernovas swirl in your heart and the solar system replaces your head…

You are One Taste, the empty mirror that is one with any and all objects that arise in its embrace, a mindlessly vast translucent expanse: infinite, eternal, radiant beyond release. And you… are… That…

So the primary Cartesian dualism – which is simply the dualism between… in here and out there, subject and object, the empty Witness and all things witnessed – is finally undone and overcome in nondual One Taste. Once you actually and fully contact the Witness, then – and only then – can it be transcended into radical Nonduality, and halfway home becomes fully home, here in the ever-present wonder of what is…

And so how do you know that you have finally and really overcome the Cartesian dualism? Very simple: if you really overcome the Cartesian dualism, then you no longer feel that you are on this side of your face looking at the world out there. There is only the world, and you are all of that; you actually feel that you are one with everything that is arising moment to moment. You are not merely on this side of your face looking out there. “In here” and “out there” have become One Taste with a shuddering obviousness and certainty so profound it feels like a five-ton rock just dropped on your head. It is, shall we say, a feeling hard to miss.

At that point, which is actually your ever-present condition, there is no exclusive identity with this particular organism, no constriction of consciousness to the head, a constriction that makes it seem that “you” are in the head looking at the rest of the world out there; there is no binding of attention to the personal bodymind: instead, consciousness is one with all that is arising – a vast, open, transparent, radiant, infinitely Free and infinitely Full expanse that embraces the entire Kosmos, so that every single subject and every single object are erotically united in the Great Embrace of One Taste. You disappear from merely being behind your eyes, and you become the All, you directly and actually feel that your basic identity is everything that is arising moment to moment (just as previously you felt that your identity was with this finite, partial, separate, mortal coil of flesh you call a body). Inside and outside have become One Taste. I tell you, it can happen just like that!

(Source: Boomeritis, Sidebar E: “The Genius Descartes Gets a Postmodern Drubbing: Integral Historiography in a Postmodern Age”. More to be found in The Simple Feeling of Being, a collection of Ken Wilber’s inspirational, mystical and instructional passages drawn from his publications, based on his experiences
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Post by jeff j » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:12 pm

be yourself, the real fictional character?
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Post by aquarius » Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:20 pm

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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:58 pm

Is Ken Wilber's "one taste" an experience or a description of what is?

What is the difference between an experience and what is?
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Post by sunyaakash » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:00 pm

What is is constructed from experience ?
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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:10 pm

My impression is that experience happens to someone and "what is" is simply what is, it's impersonal.

So, would "one taste" be the meeting point of these two?
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Post by annaruiz » Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:43 pm

It's that ever-so-subtle recognition. IMhexperience.

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Post by meL » Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:39 pm

SEEing

FEELing

no self implied !

SEEing, not knowing. -- Dr. Bohm, at that level

WE can SEE THAT from where we sit.
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Post by godindrag » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:12 am

Hi :lol:
I felt like expressing, so :
There are many things that I can doubt, but I cannot doubt my own consciousness in this moment.
Anything can be doubted. Doubt is just thought.
There is no 'my consciousness' and no 'this moment' either.
Who am I? Ask that question over and over again, deeply. Who am I?
..Sure, if you like... questions and answers are a thought game.
So you can doubt the objects of consciousness, but you can never believably doubt the doubter, never really doubt the Witness of the entire display
Ah, it's believably doubt now.. :)
This pure I AM state is not hard to achieve but impossible to escape, because it is ever present and can never really be doubted
That which is ever present is not a state and is impossible to escape or achieve as there is nothing apart from it to do either.

I cannot doubt that the Witness exists in this moment, because the Witness would still be there to witness the doubt.
yada yada yada...
Simply ask, Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?
:roll:

the Witness itself will disappear entirely,
...oh you mean the one whose existence couldn't be doubted?

Um it was never there so it didn't disappear... what a load of...

ou and the entire Kosmos because One Taste – you can drink the Pacific Ocean in a single gulp, hold Mt. Everest in the palm of your hand; supernovas swirl in your heart and the solar system replaces your head…
Er... yeah busy gulping oceans and balancing mountains at the moment... Solar system seems to have dandruff...
And so how do you know that you have finally and really overcome the Cartesian dualism?
When you no longer utter sentences like this which assume dualism and that there is a you who can overcome it?

Very simple: if you really overcome the Cartesian dualism, then you no longer feel that you are on this side of your face looking at the world out there. There is only the world, and you are all of that; you actually feel that you are one with everything that is arising moment to moment. You are not merely on this side of your face looking out there. “In here” and “out there” have become One Taste with a shuddering obviousness and certainty so profound it feels like a five-ton rock just dropped on your head. It is, shall we say, a feeling hard to miss.
Who cares which 'feeling' is happening? Or in this case which thought story..
To paraphrase the breath of fresh air that is Nathan Gill: To attach any significance to whether there is a sense of me or not, IS the sense of me.
Who cares whether the me has fallen away - except me?
It's just another conditional story of experience in time - and certainly experiences are enjoyable and fun to talk about - everyone loves a good wank after all.

Just wanted to say I thought this was lame and dry and up itself - and backwards - it's about conditionality and experience - he's basically limping backwards up his own arse :lol:

Of course all words are wrong and its I guess about an intuitive reaction to where the words seem to be coming from - and to that picture of Mr. Wilber - it's just painful..

I check this forum out now and then and some of it is fun and stimulating -
though it often tastes of vomit, but hey, we all do from time to time.
Anyway bye! :lol:
x
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Post by Lydian » Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:49 am

godindrag wrote:Hi :lol:
I felt like expressing, so :
There are many things that I can doubt, but I cannot doubt my own consciousness in this moment.
Anything can be doubted. Doubt is just thought.
There is no 'my consciousness' and no 'this moment' either.
Who am I? Ask that question over and over again, deeply. Who am I?
..Sure, if you like... questions and answers are a thought game.
So you can doubt the objects of consciousness, but you can never believably doubt the doubter, never really doubt the Witness of the entire display
Ah, it's believably doubt now.. :)
This pure I AM state is not hard to achieve but impossible to escape, because it is ever present and can never really be doubted
That which is ever present is not a state and is impossible to escape or achieve as there is nothing apart from it to do either.

I cannot doubt that the Witness exists in this moment, because the Witness would still be there to witness the doubt.
yada yada yada...
Simply ask, Who am I? Who am I? Who am I?
:roll:

the Witness itself will disappear entirely,
...oh you mean the one whose existence couldn't be doubted?

Um it was never there so it didn't disappear... what a load of...

ou and the entire Kosmos because One Taste – you can drink the Pacific Ocean in a single gulp, hold Mt. Everest in the palm of your hand; supernovas swirl in your heart and the solar system replaces your head…
Er... yeah busy gulping oceans and balancing mountains at the moment... Solar system seems to have dandruff...
And so how do you know that you have finally and really overcome the Cartesian dualism?
When you no longer utter sentences like this which assume dualism and that there is a you who can overcome it?

Very simple: if you really overcome the Cartesian dualism, then you no longer feel that you are on this side of your face looking at the world out there. There is only the world, and you are all of that; you actually feel that you are one with everything that is arising moment to moment. You are not merely on this side of your face looking out there. “In here” and “out there” have become One Taste with a shuddering obviousness and certainty so profound it feels like a five-ton rock just dropped on your head. It is, shall we say, a feeling hard to miss.
Who cares which 'feeling' is happening? Or in this case which thought story..
To paraphrase the breath of fresh air that is Nathan Gill: To attach any significance to whether there is a sense of me or not, IS the sense of me.
Who cares whether the me has fallen away - except me?
It's just another conditional story of experience in time - and certainly experiences are enjoyable and fun to talk about - everyone loves a good wank after all.

Just wanted to say I thought this was lame and dry and up itself - and backwards - it's about conditionality and experience - he's basically limping backwards up his own arse :lol:

Of course all words are wrong and its I guess about an intuitive reaction to where the words seem to be coming from - and to that picture of Mr. Wilber - it's just painful..

I check this forum out now and then and some of it is fun and stimulating -
though it often tastes of vomit, but hey, we all do from time to time.
Anyway bye! :lol:
x
You make some good points... (rather angrily ;) .)

And this piece is admitedly littered with surface dualisms...

But then Wilber is of the old school - and doesn't seem to worry about nondual correctness!

(You'll find the same in: Rumi, Alan Watts, Huang Po, Ramana Maharshi just to name a few...)

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Post by godindrag » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:26 am

You make some good points... (rather angrily Wink .)

And this piece is admitedly littered with surface dualisms...

But then Wilber is of the old school - and doesn't seem to worry about nondual correctness!

(You'll find the same in: Rumi, Alan Watts, Huang Po, Ramana Maharshi just to name a few...)
Hi Lydian,
Thank you for your comments. Irritation at the dry, self important co opting of that which is delicious simplicity and humility itself is what was being expressed in my post - not just 'anger'.

I don't care about non dual correctness at all - as I said it was just a reaction to where I felt he was coming from, you know what I mean? - the 'non dually correct' can often be speaking from an owned smug intellectual place and the dualistic and verbally sloppy can be clearly speaking from nothing, so it's not about that.

Anyway I don't feel the irritation at all now - better out than in eh? :lol:
x
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Post by sara » Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:43 am

godindrag wrote:Hi :lol:
I felt like expressing, so :
Ahh .... the breath of fresh air that is...."x"??? LOL

Wonderful to see you here again, my darling!

How's everything going? :D

Bless you, Love.

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Post by Lydian » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:07 pm

godindrag wrote:...Irritation at the dry, self important co opting of that which is delicious simplicity and humility itself...
Well why didn't you just say that in the first place.... :wink:

:D
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Post by sara » Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:18 pm

Lydian wrote:
godindrag wrote:...Irritation at the dry, self important co opting of that which is delicious simplicity and humility itself...
Well why didn't you just say that in the first place.... :wink:

:D
LOL

Yeah, Lyd....

It's wild (and enormous fun....er, here anyway! :wink:)

what seems to be said from the 'gid' head!

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