Free Will

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Free Will

Post by toombaru » Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:50 pm

The self has as much freewill as a monkey tethered to a post.

It can choose to raise its little hand or even choose between the drinks offered.

It can climb the post a little and look around.

But the freedom of which the sages speak.........has nothing to do with free monkeys.
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Re: Free Will

Post by Aurora » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:17 pm

toombaru wrote:The self has as much free will as a monkey tethered to a post.

It can choose to raise its little hand or even choose between the drinks offered.

It can climb the post a little and look around.

But the freedom of which the sages speak.........has nothing to do with free monkeys.
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a monkey haven chosen her drink! 8)
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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:00 pm

Toomby, what are you talkin about now?

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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:01 pm

I think he's out of his mind.

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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:01 pm

Oh God! Toomby's at it again!

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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:02 pm

Toomby ain't so bad, he just doesn't know what he's talkin about.

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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:04 pm

This is starting to feel so unreal.

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Post by Aurora » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:33 pm

empty-and-full wrote:This is starting to feel so unreal.

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Perhaps reading some spiritual books would help?

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Post by fox » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:34 pm

But my Willie has free will, doesn't it?

8)
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Re: Free Will

Post by godszen » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:39 pm

toombaru wrote:The self has as much freewill as a monkey tethered to a post.

It can choose to raise its little hand or even choose between the drinks offered.

It can climb the post a little and look around.

But the freedom of which the sages speak.........has nothing to do with free monkeys.
could you talk about that freedom?
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Re: Free Will

Post by toombaru » Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:55 pm

godszen wrote:
toombaru wrote:The self has as much freewill as a monkey tethered to a post.

It can choose to raise its little hand or even choose between the drinks offered.

It can climb the post a little and look around.

But the freedom of which the sages speak.........has nothing to do with free monkeys.
could you talk about that freedom?


It is sans-simian....freedom from the monkey.

No longer is one identified with the little beasty thing....the monkey continues to do its monkey things....with all the other monkeys.........but now.......it all appears to be a most glorious fluid movement within the unknowable vastness of who you are.







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Post by aquarius » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:03 pm

fox wrote:But my Willie has free will, doesn't it?

8)

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I love talking about nothing ...
it is the only thing i know anything about.
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Re: Free Will

Post by Aurora » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:22 pm

toombaru wrote:It is sans-simian....freedom from the monkey.

No longer is one identified with the little beasty thing....the monkey continues to do its monkey things....with all the other monkeys.........but now.......it all appears to be a most glorious fluid movement within the unknowable vastness of who you are.







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Could meditation help attaining this ?
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Post by Aurora » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:24 pm

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..or perhaps finding a proper guru would help?
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Re: Free Will

Post by awakening » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:26 pm

Aurora wrote:
Could meditation help attaining this ?
From today's newsletter:

No restoration to an original state can occur as all 'restoration' would assume a 'not-already-so-ness.' IT is already the Timeless-Ever-Present-Original-Stateless-State appearing.

To imagine an Original State to which IT/Consciousness could be restored is Consciousness appearing presently AS such imagination. If there seems to be a seeker trying to accomplish this, or a mind trying to grasp it, then it is again nothing but Consciousness appearing to It-Self as such attempts. All appearances are equal in and to Consciousness; much like different reflections are of 'equal impact' to the mirror.

There is only Consciousness, presently appearing AS All. Or, as you said so well at the beginning of your letter, "All there is is presence/oneness. This presence is all being, all knowing." So if there seems to be a paradox, it can only be an appearance of -and nothing but- This All Being Presence.


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