Stephen Wingate:No Suffering-No Enlightenment-No Embodiment

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Stephen Wingate:No Suffering-No Enlightenment-No Embodiment

Post by Aurora » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:16 pm

"But when you see there's only consciousness, the whole story falls apart. There's no one to get enlightened, and there was never anyone suffering. It was happening in the story, as a story. That's why you'll hear people say, there's no enlightenment. At the same time, you see there was never anyone suffering. It all gets thrown away. All there is, is consciousness and the stories that are playing - stories of a suffering person and stories of an enlightened person. They're all stories and they're not true. The only thing that's true is I am , this consciousness is, and you're done. There's nothing else. There are no levels of attainment. There's nothing."




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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:30 pm

This is good stuff for the person who feels there's something to get. :wink:
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Post by awakening » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:37 pm

I’ve told you all that constitutes the very core of Truth;
There is no you, no me, no superior being, no disciple, and no
Guru.


* Dattatreya’s Song of the Avadhut.
Atma Books ISBN 0-914557-15-7140


Many seekers have been around the spiritual block
more than once without coming to an eagerly anticipated
‘awakening.’ Several believe that they have reached a complete
intellectual understanding, but, nevertheless, they
are still waiting for an event that proves to them that they
are already fully awake. What is apparently not clear,
is that there is no one to have a complete intellectual
understanding; that there simply is understanding and
that wakefulness is already fully present.

What stops us from seeing this is the false belief that there is indeed a
separate individual that needs to have certain experiences
to reach a so-called awakening. This Awakeness is not about
someone having experiences, states of mind, or knowledge,
but about seeing that there is no separate someone.
It is about the undivided essence that is aware of – and
appears as – this whole universe, including the idea of a
character that wants to have the experience of awaken-
ing. Pure Awareness is already fully present, so why not
simply identify as Pure Awareness instead of as the character
that’s looking for confirmation?


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Re: Stephen Wingate:No Suffering-No Enlightenment-No Embodim

Post by toombaru » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:37 pm

Aurora wrote:"But when you see there's only consciousness, the whole story falls apart. There's no one to get enlightened, and there was never anyone suffering. It was happening in the story, as a story. That's why you'll hear people say, there's no enlightenment. At the same time, you see there was never anyone suffering. It all gets thrown away. All there is, is consciousness and the stories that are playing - stories of a suffering person and stories of an enlightened person. They're all stories and they're not true. The only thing that's true is I am , this consciousness is, and you're done. There's nothing else. There are no levels of attainment. There's nothing."




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Not even I am.



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Re: Stephen Wingate:No Suffering-No Enlightenment-No Embodim

Post by awakening » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:40 pm

toombaru wrote:
Aurora wrote:"But when you see there's only consciousness, the whole story falls apart. There's no one to get enlightened, and there was never anyone suffering. It was happening in the story, as a story. That's why you'll hear people say, there's no enlightenment. At the same time, you see there was never anyone suffering. It all gets thrown away. All there is, is consciousness and the stories that are playing - stories of a suffering person and stories of an enlightened person. They're all stories and they're not true. The only thing that's true is I am , this consciousness is, and you're done. There's nothing else. There are no levels of attainment. There's nothing."




=D> \:D/ =D>



Not even I am.



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Who or what 'believes' this?

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Post by awakening » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:41 pm

One has to be
to deny being.
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Re: Stephen Wingate:No Suffering-No Enlightenment-No Embodim

Post by empty-and-full » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:44 pm

Aurora wrote:"But when you see there's only consciousness, the whole story falls apart. There's no one to get enlightened, and there was never anyone suffering. It was happening in the story, as a story. That's why you'll hear people say, there's no enlightenment. At the same time, you see there was never anyone suffering. It all gets thrown away. All there is, is consciousness and the stories that are playing - stories of a suffering person and stories of an enlightened person. They're all stories and they're not true. The only thing that's true is I am , this consciousness is, and you're done. There's nothing else. There are no levels of attainment. There's nothing."




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So why is it that the one that let's go of of the idea offinding anything including enlightenment, becomes a teacher which seems to reinforce the idea that there is something to get??? :?
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Post by toombaru » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:48 pm

awakening wrote:I’ve told you all that constitutes the very core of Truth;
There is no you, no me, no superior being, no disciple, and no
Guru.


* Dattatreya’s Song of the Avadhut.
Atma Books ISBN 0-914557-15-7140


Many seekers have been around the spiritual block
more than once without coming to an eagerly anticipated
‘awakening.’ Several believe that they have reached a complete
intellectual understanding, but, nevertheless, they
are still waiting for an event that proves to them that they
are already fully awake. What is apparently not clear,
is that there is no one to have a complete intellectual
understanding; that there simply is understanding and
that wakefulness is already fully present.

What stops us from seeing this is the false belief that there is indeed a
separate individual that needs to have certain experiences
to reach a so-called awakening. This Awakeness is not about
someone having experiences, states of mind, or knowledge,
but about seeing that there is no separate someone.
It is about the undivided essence that is aware of – and
appears as – this whole universe, including the idea of a
character that wants to have the experience of awaken-
ing. Pure Awareness is already fully present, so why not
simply identify as Pure Awareness instead of as the character
that’s looking for confirmation?





Ok.......I'll do that.

:roll:


(The camera pans to old toombaru.........He is sitting down....his eyes closed tightly.......his face strained.....He is making little grunting noises..............)

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Re: Stephen Wingate:No Suffering-No Enlightenment-No Embodim

Post by awakening » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:51 pm

empty-and-full wrote:
Aurora wrote:"But when you see there's only consciousness, the whole story falls apart. There's no one to get enlightened, and there was never anyone suffering. It was happening in the story, as a story. That's why you'll hear people say, there's no enlightenment. At the same time, you see there was never anyone suffering. It all gets thrown away. All there is, is consciousness and the stories that are playing - stories of a suffering person and stories of an enlightened person. They're all stories and they're not true. The only thing that's true is I am , this consciousness is, and you're done. There's nothing else. There are no levels of attainment. There's nothing."




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So why is it that the one that let's go of of the idea offinding anything including enlightenment, becomes a teacher which seems to reinforce the idea that there is something to get??? :?
The paradox is that all there is to get
is that there is nothing and no one to get anything.
Why not?
Because what you truley are is already being everything...
including this game of hide and seek for one.

In that way there are no teachers and disciples.
All there is is the One-You-Are
talking and listening
to HerSelf.
S-HE alone/All-One IS.

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Post by awakening » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:53 pm

toombaru wrote:
awakening wrote:I’ve told you all that constitutes the very core of Truth;
There is no you, no me, no superior being, no disciple, and no
Guru.


* Dattatreya’s Song of the Avadhut.
Atma Books ISBN 0-914557-15-7140


Many seekers have been around the spiritual block
more than once without coming to an eagerly anticipated
‘awakening.’ Several believe that they have reached a complete
intellectual understanding, but, nevertheless, they
are still waiting for an event that proves to them that they
are already fully awake. What is apparently not clear,
is that there is no one to have a complete intellectual
understanding; that there simply is understanding and
that wakefulness is already fully present.

What stops us from seeing this is the false belief that there is indeed a
separate individual that needs to have certain experiences
to reach a so-called awakening. This Awakeness is not about
someone having experiences, states of mind, or knowledge,
but about seeing that there is no separate someone.
It is about the undivided essence that is aware of – and
appears as – this whole universe, including the idea of a
character that wants to have the experience of awaken-
ing. Pure Awareness is already fully present, so why not
simply identify as Pure Awareness instead of as the character
that’s looking for confirmation?





Ok.......I'll do that.

:roll:


(The camera pans to old toombaru.........He is sitting down....his eyes closed tightly.......his face strained.....He is making little grunting noises..............)

toombaru
If good old toombaru were the doer
he probably would...
but alas
old toombaru
is being done. :D
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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:00 pm

awakening wrote:I’ve told you all that constitutes the very core of Truth;
There is no you, no me, no superior being, no disciple, and no
Guru.


* Dattatreya’s Song of the Avadhut.
Atma Books ISBN 0-914557-15-7140


Many seekers have been around the spiritual block
more than once without coming to an eagerly anticipated
‘awakening.’ Several believe that they have reached a complete
intellectual understanding, but, nevertheless, they
are still waiting for an event that proves to them that they
are already fully awake. What is apparently not clear,
is that there is no one to have a complete intellectual
understanding; that there simply is understanding and
that wakefulness is already fully present.

What stops us from seeing this is the false belief that there is indeed a
separate individual that needs to have certain experiences
to reach a so-called awakening. This Awakeness is not about
someone having experiences, states of mind, or knowledge,
but about seeing that there is no separate someone.
It is about the undivided essence that is aware of – and
appears as – this whole universe, including the idea of a
character that wants to have the experience of awaken-
ing. Pure Awareness is already fully present, so why not
simply identify as Pure Awareness instead of as the character
that’s looking for confirmation?


Perhaps it's because pure awareness is not known directly.

How can you identify with something you don't know?

And even better still, who is this character that would do the identifying???

If there is a someone who is identifying with something, then it seems like nothing has really died, twoness is still fully intact.
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Post by toombaru » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:10 pm

empty-and-full wrote:
awakening wrote:I’ve told you all that constitutes the very core of Truth;
There is no you, no me, no superior being, no disciple, and no
Guru.


* Dattatreya’s Song of the Avadhut.
Atma Books ISBN 0-914557-15-7140


Many seekers have been around the spiritual block
more than once without coming to an eagerly anticipated
‘awakening.’ Several believe that they have reached a complete
intellectual understanding, but, nevertheless, they
are still waiting for an event that proves to them that they
are already fully awake. What is apparently not clear,
is that there is no one to have a complete intellectual
understanding; that there simply is understanding and
that wakefulness is already fully present.

What stops us from seeing this is the false belief that there is indeed a
separate individual that needs to have certain experiences
to reach a so-called awakening. This Awakeness is not about
someone having experiences, states of mind, or knowledge,
but about seeing that there is no separate someone.
It is about the undivided essence that is aware of – and
appears as – this whole universe, including the idea of a
character that wants to have the experience of awaken-
ing. Pure Awareness is already fully present, so why not
simply identify as Pure Awareness instead of as the character
that’s looking for confirmation?


Perhaps it's because pure awareness is not known directly.

How can you identify with something you don't know?

And even better still, who is this character that would do the identifying???

If there is a someone who is identifying with something, then it seems like nothing has really died, twoness is still fully intact.




I once watched a wave try to identify itself as the ocean.

It wasn't pretty.



:roll:



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Post by empty-and-full » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:14 pm

toombaru wrote:
empty-and-full wrote:
awakening wrote:I’ve told you all that constitutes the very core of Truth;
There is no you, no me, no superior being, no disciple, and no
Guru.


* Dattatreya’s Song of the Avadhut.
Atma Books ISBN 0-914557-15-7140


Many seekers have been around the spiritual block
more than once without coming to an eagerly anticipated
‘awakening.’ Several believe that they have reached a complete
intellectual understanding, but, nevertheless, they
are still waiting for an event that proves to them that they
are already fully awake. What is apparently not clear,
is that there is no one to have a complete intellectual
understanding; that there simply is understanding and
that wakefulness is already fully present.

What stops us from seeing this is the false belief that there is indeed a
separate individual that needs to have certain experiences
to reach a so-called awakening. This Awakeness is not about
someone having experiences, states of mind, or knowledge,
but about seeing that there is no separate someone.
It is about the undivided essence that is aware of – and
appears as – this whole universe, including the idea of a
character that wants to have the experience of awaken-
ing. Pure Awareness is already fully present, so why not
simply identify as Pure Awareness instead of as the character
that’s looking for confirmation?


Perhaps it's because pure awareness is not known directly.

How can you identify with something you don't know?

And even better still, who is this character that would do the identifying???

If there is a someone who is identifying with something, then it seems like nothing has really died, twoness is still fully intact.




I once watched a wave try to identify itself as the ocean.

It wasn't pretty.



:roll:



toombaru
I don't quite know what you're saying but ya sure got me laughing!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by toombaru » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:16 pm

awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:
awakening wrote:I’ve told you all that constitutes the very core of Truth;
There is no you, no me, no superior being, no disciple, and no
Guru.


* Dattatreya’s Song of the Avadhut.
Atma Books ISBN 0-914557-15-7140


Many seekers have been around the spiritual block
more than once without coming to an eagerly anticipated
‘awakening.’ Several believe that they have reached a complete
intellectual understanding, but, nevertheless, they
are still waiting for an event that proves to them that they
are already fully awake. What is apparently not clear,
is that there is no one to have a complete intellectual
understanding; that there simply is understanding and
that wakefulness is already fully present.

What stops us from seeing this is the false belief that there is indeed a
separate individual that needs to have certain experiences
to reach a so-called awakening. This Awakeness is not about
someone having experiences, states of mind, or knowledge,
but about seeing that there is no separate someone.
It is about the undivided essence that is aware of – and
appears as – this whole universe, including the idea of a
character that wants to have the experience of awaken-
ing. Pure Awareness is already fully present, so why not
simply identify as Pure Awareness instead of as the character
that’s looking for confirmation?





Ok.......I'll do that.

:roll:


(The camera pans to old toombaru.........He is sitting down....his eyes closed tightly.......his face strained.....He is making little grunting noises..............)

toombaru
If good old toombaru were the doer
he probably would...
but alas
old toombaru
is being done. :D



........................Like a wave is being done by the ocean?



:roll:




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Post by annaruiz » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:42 pm

always fun for the wave to try and touch the sun.....

....and then evaporate......soon rain....and rainbow.


love you All,

Anna
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