"Now"

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Post by sunyaakash » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:06 pm

Everything can flow away .


Anything that can flow away


will flow away .


S
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Post by michael » Wed Dec 19, 2007 11:59 pm

sunyaakash wrote:Everything can flow away .


Anything that can flow away


will flow away .


S
all 'flow'...is apparent only...

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Post by Aurora » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:02 am

michael wrote: all 'flow'...is apparent only...

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hi michael!

Its a cold winter night in Norway with the moon ligthing up the snowcovered pine trees . Is it a sunny summerday in Australia?

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Post by sunyaakash » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:07 am

It's neither - nor .

It is one - arising , flowing away in a


smile .


It has become non-dual too .


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Post by sunyaakash » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:24 am

and only apparent


neither illusion


nor reality


just appearing and disappearing


on the screen .


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Re: "Now"

Post by maple3 » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:32 am

awakening wrote:
maple3 wrote: But here's another question (perhaps rhetorical?) ...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he knows that the other tube worms don't KNOW? :-k

And a couple more questions (rhetorical?)...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he's totally making up that bit about "a tenth of a second." And finally, if he KNOWs that he doesn't know, how does he KNOW that? :?
No, the tube worm does not know
it is part of the known....

:wink:
But Leo, haven't you (or someone?) often said that the knowing, the known and the knower, are all one and the same? :-k


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Re: "Now"

Post by michael » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:42 am

maple3 wrote:
awakening wrote:
maple3 wrote: But here's another question (perhaps rhetorical?) ...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he knows that the other tube worms don't KNOW? :-k

And a couple more questions (rhetorical?)...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he's totally making up that bit about "a tenth of a second." And finally, if he KNOWs that he doesn't know, how does he KNOW that? :?
No, the tube worm does not know
it is part of the known....

:wink:
But Leo, haven't you (or someone?) often said that the knowing, the known and the knower, are all one and the same? :-k


Love
hi maple3... I still love your viewpoints... big cheeky grin

as all concepts are one... with the knowing... so it is impossible to separate the known from the knowing of it...

but no 'single' concept knows this...

each 'tube worm' is conceived within the context of the whole conception... it has no 'awareness'...

the perceived cannot perceive...

for 'the perceived'... emerges as a phantom out of the conjunct of these sensations and these concepts...

amazing really... :D

Love
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Re: "Now"

Post by Hatima » Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:47 am

michael wrote:
maple3 wrote:
awakening wrote:
maple3 wrote: But here's another question (perhaps rhetorical?) ...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he knows that the other tube worms don't KNOW? :-k

And a couple more questions (rhetorical?)...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he's totally making up that bit about "a tenth of a second." And finally, if he KNOWs that he doesn't know, how does he KNOW that? :?
No, the tube worm does not know
it is part of the known....

:wink:
But Leo, haven't you (or someone?) often said that the knowing, the known and the knower, are all one and the same? :-k


Love
hi maple3... I still love your viewpoints... big cheeky grin

as all concepts are one... with the knowing... so it is impossible to separate the known from the knowing of it...

but no 'single' concept knows this...

each 'tube worm' is conceived within the context of the whole conception... it has no 'awareness'...

the perceived cannot perceive...

for 'the perceived'... emerges as a phantom out of the conjunct of these sensations and these concepts...

amazing really... :D

Love
The knowing and the unknown sometimes appear confusing here.
To "me" the knowing is conceptual, a movement of mind, a
re-cognition of things, eg I know my children, I dont have to ask
them who they are. So the knowing is mind-stuff.
The unknowing then is the openness which is prior to mind,
the mysterious source which includes the whole appearance,
including the knowing. It is instantaneously beyond but also at the same
"time" "includes" all. It is totally open to what is (sounds dualistic).
Its totally This.
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Re: "Now"

Post by ANNA » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:04 am

Hatima wrote:
michael wrote:
maple3 wrote:
awakening wrote:
maple3 wrote: But here's another question (perhaps rhetorical?) ...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he knows that the other tube worms don't KNOW? :-k

And a couple more questions (rhetorical?)...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he's totally making up that bit about "a tenth of a second." And finally, if he KNOWs that he doesn't know, how does he KNOW that? :?
No, the tube worm does not know
it is part of the known....

:wink:
But Leo, haven't you (or someone?) often said that the knowing, the known and the knower, are all one and the same? :-k


Love
hi maple3... I still love your viewpoints... big cheeky grin

as all concepts are one... with the knowing... so it is impossible to separate the known from the knowing of it...

but no 'single' concept knows this...

each 'tube worm' is conceived within the context of the whole conception... it has no 'awareness'...

the perceived cannot perceive...

for 'the perceived'... emerges as a phantom out of the conjunct of these sensations and these concepts...

amazing really... :D

Love
The knowing and the unknown sometimes appear confusing here.
To "me" the knowing is conceptual, a movement of mind, a
re-cognition of things, eg I know my children, I dont have to ask
them who they are. So the knowing is mind-stuff.
The unknowing then is the openness which is prior to mind,
the mysterious source which includes the whole appearance,
including the knowing. It is instantaneously beyond but also at the same
"time" "includes" all. It is totally open to what is (sounds dualistic).
Its totally This.
With-in

THIS

mystrious un_known fleeting(eternal) moment

ONE

cup of cappucino

for two...

Image

:wink: :lol:
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Re: "Now"

Post by awakening » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:13 am

maple3 wrote:
awakening wrote:
maple3 wrote: But here's another question (perhaps rhetorical?) ...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he knows that the other tube worms don't KNOW? :-k

And a couple more questions (rhetorical?)...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he's totally making up that bit about "a tenth of a second." And finally, if he KNOWs that he doesn't know, how does he KNOW that? :?
No, the tube worm does not know
it is part of the known....

:wink:
But Leo, haven't you (or someone?) often said that the knowing, the known and the knower, are all one and the same? :-k


Love
Perhaps Maple... although at this moment I'd prefer to say that there is 'knowing' which aparently is 'made up' by its two components 'the knower' and 'the known.'

But whatever I say, when using words I'm stuck with apparently cutting it up in this duality or trinity... To talk about oneness appears already as a contradiction...as there is nothing outside ones to talk about IT or to contradict IT...yet here i am..taking the bait once again...or so it seems. :wink:

Sometimes all this reminds me of the two-headed character Zaphod Bebblebrox in the book 'the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy'... Sometimes he argues with himself...sometimes there's agreement.



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Re: "Now"

Post by michael » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:15 am

Hatima wrote:
michael wrote:
maple3 wrote:
awakening wrote:
maple3 wrote: But here's another question (perhaps rhetorical?) ...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he knows that the other tube worms don't KNOW? :-k

And a couple more questions (rhetorical?)...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he's totally making up that bit about "a tenth of a second." And finally, if he KNOWs that he doesn't know, how does he KNOW that? :?
No, the tube worm does not know
it is part of the known....

:wink:
But Leo, haven't you (or someone?) often said that the knowing, the known and the knower, are all one and the same? :-k


Love
hi maple3... I still love your viewpoints... big cheeky grin

as all concepts are one... with the knowing... so it is impossible to separate the known from the knowing of it...

but no 'single' concept knows this...

each 'tube worm' is conceived within the context of the whole conception... it has no 'awareness'...

the perceived cannot perceive...

for 'the perceived'... emerges as a phantom out of the conjunct of these sensations and these concepts...

amazing really... :D

Love
The knowing and the unknown sometimes appear confusing here.
To "me" the knowing is conceptual, a movement of mind, a
re-cognition of things, eg I know my children, I dont have to ask
them who they are. So the knowing is mind-stuff.
The unknowing then is the openness which is prior to mind,
the mysterious source which includes the whole appearance,
including the knowing. It is instantaneously beyond but also at the same
"time" "includes" all. It is totally open to what is (sounds dualistic).
Its totally This.
yes... knowing is... knowing concepts... but this knowing is not different from the 'unknowable'...

for it cannot be conceived or sensed...

try now to conceive 'what' a 'number' or 'form' or 'meaning'... 'is'... and 'how' these are known...

try to sense any of these 'concepts'... or the knowing of them...

it cannot be done...

only the image can be sensed...

as in the numeral '23'... this image is immediately recognised AS the number... though it is not the number... it just some 'squiggles' in the seeing...

amazing!

this 'knowing' is ever hidden from awareness... unknowable... simply because it is one with awareness...

as seeing cannot see itself... so knowing cannot know itself...

there is no 'prior to mind'... simply because there is no 'mind' separate to this knowing that knows all things as one... ever unchanged...

it is not 'beyond'... it is here now... but it is never apparent...

only its image is apparent... manifested instantly as sensations arise in concord with the story being told... in accord with the 'number', 'forms' and 'meaning' re-called...

so it appears 'I see my children'... but no 'child' has ever been seen...

Love
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Re: "Now"

Post by Hatima » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:37 am

michael wrote:
Hatima wrote:
michael wrote:
maple3 wrote:
awakening wrote:
maple3 wrote: But here's another question (perhaps rhetorical?) ...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he knows that the other tube worms don't KNOW? :-k

And a couple more questions (rhetorical?)...
Does the tube worm (known as toombaru) KNOW that he's totally making up that bit about "a tenth of a second." And finally, if he KNOWs that he doesn't know, how does he KNOW that? :?
No, the tube worm does not know
it is part of the known....

:wink:
But Leo, haven't you (or someone?) often said that the knowing, the known and the knower, are all one and the same? :-k


Love
hi maple3... I still love your viewpoints... big cheeky grin

as all concepts are one... with the knowing... so it is impossible to separate the known from the knowing of it...

but no 'single' concept knows this...

each 'tube worm' is conceived within the context of the whole conception... it has no 'awareness'...

the perceived cannot perceive...

for 'the perceived'... emerges as a phantom out of the conjunct of these sensations and these concepts...

amazing really... :D

Love
The knowing and the unknown sometimes appear confusing here.
To "me" the knowing is conceptual, a movement of mind, a
re-cognition of things, eg I know my children, I dont have to ask
them who they are. So the knowing is mind-stuff.
The unknowing then is the openness which is prior to mind,
the mysterious source which includes the whole appearance,
including the knowing. It is instantaneously beyond but also at the same
"time" "includes" all. It is totally open to what is (sounds dualistic).
Its totally This.
yes... knowing is... knowing concepts... but this knowing is not different from the 'unknowable'...

for it cannot be conceived or sensed...

try now to conceive 'what' a 'number' or 'form' or 'meaning'... 'is'... and 'how' these are known...

try to sense any of these 'concepts'... or the knowing of them...

it cannot be done...

only the image can be sensed...

as in the numeral '23'... this image is immediately recognised AS the number... though it is not the number... it just some 'squiggles' in the seeing...

amazing!

this 'knowing' is ever hidden from awareness... unknowable... simply because it is one with awareness...

as seeing cannot see itself... so knowing cannot know itself...

there is no 'prior to mind'... simply because there is no 'mind' separate to this knowing that knows all things as one... ever unchanged...

it is not 'beyond'... it is here now... but it is never apparent...

only its image is apparent... manifested instantly as sensations arise in concord with the story being told... in accord with the 'number', 'forms' and 'meaning' re-called...

so it appears 'I see my children'... but no 'child' has ever been seen...

Love
Havent time to reply now, Michael. A few thoughts occur.
Will try and come back on this later.
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Post by epi » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:27 am

Now ......... is a vacuum
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Post by sunyaakash » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:35 am

cleaner .


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Re: ....

Post by michael » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:35 am

epi wrote:Now ......... is a vacuum
conceptually speaking... :D

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