First Cause

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First Cause

Post by toombaru » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:10 pm

What was the cause of the First Cause?


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Re: First Cause

Post by Aurora » Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:24 pm

toombaru wrote:What was the cause of the First Cause?


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Re: First Cause

Post by Kali » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:06 pm

toombaru wrote:What was the cause of the First Cause?


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I didn't know there was a 'cause and effect' type of process taking place? :roll:


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Re: First Cause

Post by awakening » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:24 pm

toombaru wrote:What was the cause of the First Cause?


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toombaru
"Once upon a time..."
is how most fairy tales begin.

The apparent duality
of cause and effect
is but Maya's convincing veil.

What if here never was a first cause?
What if this IS the firsts cause
...and the final dissolution?

What if THIS is the Uncaused?
What if THIS is the Unborn
appearing to itself alone?

Then THIS is all there is
Then THIS is 'your' original Face.
THIS...all-inclusive ISness...right now..

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Re: First Cause

Post by toombaru » Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:05 pm

awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:What was the cause of the First Cause?


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toombaru
"Once upon a time..."
is how most fairy tales begin.

The apparent duality
of cause and effect
is but Maya's convincing veil.

What if here never was a first cause?
What if this IS the firsts cause
...and the final dissolution?

What if THIS is the Uncaused?
What if THIS is the Unborn
appearing to itself alone?

Then THIS is all there is
Then THIS is 'your' original Face.
THIS...all-inclusive ISness...right now..





Well.....it was.....about a tenth of a second ago.



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Re: First Cause

Post by Aurora » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:19 am

toombaru wrote:
awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:What was the cause of the First Cause?


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toombaru
"Once upon a time..."
is how most fairy tales begin.

The apparent duality
of cause and effect
is but Maya's convincing veil.

What if here never was a first cause?
What if this IS the firsts cause
...and the final dissolution?

What if THIS is the Uncaused?
What if THIS is the Unborn
appearing to itself alone?

Then THIS is all there is
Then THIS is 'your' original Face.
THIS...all-inclusive ISness...right now..





Well.....it was.....about a tenth of a second ago.



:roll:



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Its time to tell you , love, that there is no time!


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Post by ANNA » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:56 am

Once I have read a definition of god, somewhere, some when, can’t recall exactly even the definition , just will try to paraphrase.


Just thoughts fleeting... :)


“God is a self-replicated, self-organized, high-ordered structure”.

In this sense it reminded me about the definition of Cosmos.

In its most general sense, a cosmos is an orderly or harmonious system. It originates from a Greek term κόσμος meaning "order, orderly arrangement, ornaments," and is the antithetical concept of chaos. Today the word is generally used as synonym of the word 'Universe' (considered in its orderly aspect).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos




Universum – C. Flammarion, Holzschnitt, Paris 1888, Kolorit: Heikenwaelder Hugo, Wien 1998
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First Source is the primal source from which all existence is ultimately linked.
First Source is not a manifestation, but rather a consciousness that inhabits all time, space, energy, matter, form, intent; as well as all non-time, non-space, non-matter, non-energy, non-form, and non-intent. It is the only consciousness that unifies all states of being into one Being. And this Being is First Source.


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Re: First Cause

Post by hybrid » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:15 am

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Post by toombaru » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:18 am

ANNA wrote:Once I have read a definition of god, somewhere, some when, can’t recall exactly even the definition , just will try to paraphrase.


Just thoughts fleeting... :)


“God is a self-replicated, self-organized, high-ordered structure”.

In this sense it reminded me about the definition of Cosmos.

In its most general sense, a cosmos is an orderly or harmonious system. It originates from a Greek term κόσμος meaning "order, orderly arrangement, ornaments," and is the antithetical concept of chaos. Today the word is generally used as synonym of the word 'Universe' (considered in its orderly aspect).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos




Universum – C. Flammarion, Holzschnitt, Paris 1888, Kolorit: Heikenwaelder Hugo, Wien 1998
Image



First Source is the primal source from which all existence is ultimately linked.
First Source is not a manifestation, but rather a consciousness that inhabits all time, space, energy, matter, form, intent; as well as all non-time, non-space, non-matter, non-energy, non-form, and non-intent. It is the only consciousness that unifies all states of being into one Being. And this Being is First Source.


http://www.wingmakers.com/glossary.html


Philosophers stretch the meaning of words until they retain scarcely anything of their original sense: by calling "God" some vague abstraction which they have created for themselves, they pose as deists, as believers before the world: they may even prise themselves on having attained a higher and purer idea of God, although their God is nothing but an insubstantial shadow and no longer the mighty personality of religious doctrine.





Sigmund Freud - The Future of an Illusion
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Post by ANNA » Fri Dec 21, 2007 7:26 am

toombaru wrote:
ANNA wrote:Once I have read a definition of god, somewhere, some when, can’t recall exactly even the definition , just will try to paraphrase.


Just thoughts fleeting... :)


“God is a self-replicated, self-organized, high-ordered structure”.

In this sense it reminded me about the definition of Cosmos.

In its most general sense, a cosmos is an orderly or harmonious system. It originates from a Greek term κόσμος meaning "order, orderly arrangement, ornaments," and is the antithetical concept of chaos. Today the word is generally used as synonym of the word 'Universe' (considered in its orderly aspect).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos




Universum – C. Flammarion, Holzschnitt, Paris 1888, Kolorit: Heikenwaelder Hugo, Wien 1998
Image



First Source is the primal source from which all existence is ultimately linked.
First Source is not a manifestation, but rather a consciousness that inhabits all time, space, energy, matter, form, intent; as well as all non-time, non-space, non-matter, non-energy, non-form, and non-intent. It is the only consciousness that unifies all states of being into one Being. And this Being is First Source.


http://www.wingmakers.com/glossary.html


Philosophers stretch the meaning of words until they retain scarcely anything of their original sense: by calling "God" some vague abstraction which they have created for themselves, they pose as deists, as believers before the world: they may even prise themselves on having attained a higher and purer idea of God, although their God is nothing but an insubstantial shadow and no longer the mighty personality of religious doctrine.





Sigmund Freud - The Future of an Illusion

Nihilism (from the Latin nihil, nothing) is a philosophical position which argues that Being, especially past and current human existence, is without objective meaning, purpose, comprehensible truth, or essential value. Nihilists generally assert some or all of the following:

there is no reasonable proof of the existence of a higher ruler or creator,
a "true morality" does not exist, and
objective secular ethics are impossible; therefore, life has, in a sense, no truth, and no action is objectively preferable to any other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism

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Post by awakening » Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:56 am

toombaru wrote:
ANNA wrote:Once I have read a definition of god, somewhere, some when, can’t recall exactly even the definition , just will try to paraphrase.


Just thoughts fleeting... :)


“God is a self-replicated, self-organized, high-ordered structure”.

In this sense it reminded me about the definition of Cosmos.

In its most general sense, a cosmos is an orderly or harmonious system. It originates from a Greek term κόσμος meaning "order, orderly arrangement, ornaments," and is the antithetical concept of chaos. Today the word is generally used as synonym of the word 'Universe' (considered in its orderly aspect).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos




Universum – C. Flammarion, Holzschnitt, Paris 1888, Kolorit: Heikenwaelder Hugo, Wien 1998
Image



First Source is the primal source from which all existence is ultimately linked.
First Source is not a manifestation, but rather a consciousness that inhabits all time, space, energy, matter, form, intent; as well as all non-time, non-space, non-matter, non-energy, non-form, and non-intent. It is the only consciousness that unifies all states of being into one Being. And this Being is First Source.


http://www.wingmakers.com/glossary.html


Philosophers stretch the meaning of words until they retain scarcely anything of their original sense: by calling "God" some vague abstraction which they have created for themselves, they pose as deists, as believers before the world: they may even prise themselves on having attained a higher and purer idea of God, although their God is nothing but an insubstantial shadow and no longer the mighty personality of religious doctrine.





Sigmund Freud - The Future of an Illusion
Philosophers may stretch the meaning of the word God, or perhaps religion has hijacked it and attempts to restrict it to a separate super entity.

Words may be treated as if they were fixed quantities, but I rather see them as open to interpretation. Sure the word number means only number...but it can point to endless combinations of different significance.

Like most words the word 'love' often derives it's meaning from the context it is used in. I love to see you smile...and I love to see her go...

Here I 'stretch' the God concept
until it represent 'The Only One'
The One 'containing' all.
The One 'being' all.

THIS unfathomable mystery
of Self Origination.


PS

You mentioning good old Sigmund reminded me that he appears somewhere in ATTD.

All creation, from this perch, is made from this incredible foundation.
Every mountain, every star, the smallest salamander
or woodland tick, each thought in our mind, each flight of a
ball is but a web of elemental yes/nos woven together.
**

The above words seem to come from a mystical textbook,
but are, in fact, from an article on computation in Wired
Magazine. Alan Watts termed it the Zero One amazement,
while Freud saw the same pattern but interpreted it as
something derived from and pointing to sexuality. I wonder
if he missed the point that all yeses and nos, ins and
outs, ups and downs – including sexual ins and outs and
ups and downs – are the same basic rhythm through which
the underlying unity expresses itself.


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Re: First Cause

Post by awakening » Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:13 am

toombaru wrote:
awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:What was the cause of the First Cause?


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toombaru
"Once upon a time..."
is how most fairy tales begin.

The apparent duality
of cause and effect
is but Maya's convincing veil.

What if here never was a first cause?
What if this IS the firsts cause
...and the final dissolution?

What if THIS is the Uncaused?
What if THIS is the Unborn
appearing to itself alone?

Then THIS is all there is
Then THIS is 'your' original Face.
THIS...all-inclusive ISness...right now..





Well.....it was.....about a tenth of a second ago.



:roll:



toombaru
Now, please be serious Timebaru...
Time is no laughing matter
and you're making me laugh out loud here.


:D :D :D

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Re: First Cause

Post by ANNA » Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:17 am

awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:
awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:What was the cause of the First Cause?


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toombaru
"Once upon a time..."
is how most fairy tales begin.

The apparent duality
of cause and effect
is but Maya's convincing veil.

What if here never was a first cause?
What if this IS the firsts cause
...and the final dissolution?

What if THIS is the Uncaused?
What if THIS is the Unborn
appearing to itself alone?

Then THIS is all there is
Then THIS is 'your' original Face.
THIS...all-inclusive ISness...right now..





Well.....it was.....about a tenth of a second ago.



:roll:



toombaru
Now, please be serious Timebaru...
Time is no laughing matter
and you're making me laugh out loud here.


:D :D :D

...you too, dear One...wink...wink :wink: :P :lol:

..what was the cause of the First Laughter :idea:


wanna coffee with laugh?


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Re: First Cause

Post by Lydian » Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:36 am

toombaru wrote:
awakening wrote:
toombaru wrote:What was the cause of the First Cause?
"Once upon a time..."
is how most fairy tales begin.

The apparent duality
of cause and effect
is but Maya's convincing veil.

What if here never was a first cause?
What if this IS the firsts cause
...and the final dissolution?

What if THIS is the Uncaused?
What if THIS is the Unborn
appearing to itself alone?

Then THIS is all there is
Then THIS is 'your' original Face.
THIS...all-inclusive ISness...right now..



Well.....it was.....about a tenth of a second ago.
From the identity as a separate entity....... this is a sound conclusion!

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Re: First Cause

Post by awakening » Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:37 am

ANNA wrote: wanna coffee with laugh?


:wink: :P :lol:
Thank you Anna
I'm having one right now. :D

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