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Re: Fear

Post by jeff j » Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:55 pm

empty-and-full wrote:Does fear come from the assumption that there is a "someone" who can lose something?
i fear not dear one
:lol:
be yourself, the real fictional character?
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Post by awakening » Thu Dec 27, 2007 3:44 pm

ANNA wrote:
meL wrote:
awakening wrote:Fear comes from the dictionary...
perfect
:D
...then from where the dictionary comes? lol :wink: :P

Isn't that obvious Anna...???
from fear of course. :D
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Post by toombaru » Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:02 pm

epi wrote:....my dog has no fear ....

he and the dreamtime are one


Light a fire cracker and throw it toward him....and watch what happens.


Do that three of four times......and then watch what he does as you reach for another firecracker.

His behavior will appear................to be somewhat like "fear".


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Post by ANNA » Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:51 pm

awakening wrote:
ANNA wrote:
meL wrote:
awakening wrote:Fear comes from the dictionary...
perfect
:D
...then from where the dictionary comes? lol :wink: :P

Isn't that obvious Anna...???
from fear of course. :D

Of course, Leo, [tanz] [wink]

it is...

Image


The body is false,
And so are its fears,
Heaven and hell, freedom and bondage.
It is all invention.
What can they matter to me?
I am awareness itself.


The Ashtavakra Gita

[ok] ...a big_fearless_smile [bigsmile]
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Re: Fear

Post by empty-and-full » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:08 pm

empty-and-full wrote:Does fear come from the assumption that there is a "someone" who can lose something?
The body is false,
And so are its fears,
Heaven and hell, freedom and bondage.
It is all invention.
What can they matter to me?
I am awareness itself.

The Ashtavakra Gita

Thank you Anna, this fits nicely with what I was trying to say.

As Leo pointed out, fear comes from the dictionary, but he failed to tell us where the dictionary came from. Isn't the dictionary just a list of all the concepts that make up this apparent life we are living? Perhaps you could say the dictionary is a list of interpretations of apparent phenomena that arise.

As Michael pointed out, fear is just a feeling, but calling it a feeling is still to label it in some way, to know it in some way, so that it fits into our "understanding" or "interpretation" of what life is.
:)
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Post by toombaru » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:11 pm

ANNA wrote:
awakening wrote:
ANNA wrote:
meL wrote:
awakening wrote:Fear comes from the dictionary...
perfect
:D
...then from where the dictionary comes? lol :wink: :P

Isn't that obvious Anna...???
from fear of course. :D

Of course, Leo, [tanz] [wink]

it is...

Image


The body is false,
And so are its fears,
Heaven and hell, freedom and bondage.
It is all invention.
What can they matter to me?
I am awareness itself.


The Ashtavakra Gita

[ok] ...a big_fearless_smile [bigsmile]





Fear is relative only to the apparent physical manifestation.....within which it is as real as anything else.



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Post by empty-and-full » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:14 pm

meL wrote:i maybe
mis-taken AGAIN :shock:

BUT

how do
WE share THIS


?

WE
have
rolled
the
stone
aside

Too poetic ... oh well :D :D :D
.

We share this using words, using the dictionary, because the meaning attached to concepts is all "we" know. Beyond and within this "knowing" is simple "space" or "awareness".

But there's no point talking about this because there's nothing to gain from this.

And yet it still seems to be communicated. :D
:)
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Post by empty-and-full » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:16 pm

toombaru wrote:
ANNA wrote:
awakening wrote:
ANNA wrote:
meL wrote:
awakening wrote:Fear comes from the dictionary...
perfect
:D
...then from where the dictionary comes? lol :wink: :P

Isn't that obvious Anna...???
from fear of course. :D

Of course, Leo, [tanz] [wink]

it is...

Image


The body is false,
And so are its fears,
Heaven and hell, freedom and bondage.
It is all invention.
What can they matter to me?
I am awareness itself.


The Ashtavakra Gita

[ok] ...a big_fearless_smile [bigsmile]





Fear is relative only to the apparent physical manifestation.....within which it is as real as anything else.



toombaru

yes, that's true.

amazing isn't it? :D
:)
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Post by epi » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:34 pm

Fear is in its recognition

(Swamananda)
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Post by toombaru » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:35 pm

epi wrote: Fear is in its recognition

(Swamananda)






.........or in the firecrackers.........



:shock:
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Post by awakening » Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:45 pm

ANNA wrote:
it is...

Image


The body is false,
And so are its fears,
Heaven and hell, freedom and bondage.
It is all invention.
What can they matter to me?
I am awareness itself.


The Ashtavakra Gita

[ok] ...a big_fearless_smile [bigsmile]
:D :D :D
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Re: Fear

Post by michael » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:16 pm

empty-and-full wrote:
empty-and-full wrote:Does fear come from the assumption that there is a "someone" who can lose something?
The body is false,
And so are its fears,
Heaven and hell, freedom and bondage.
It is all invention.
What can they matter to me?
I am awareness itself.

The Ashtavakra Gita

Thank you Anna, this fits nicely with what I was trying to say.

As Leo pointed out, fear comes from the dictionary, but he failed to tell us where the dictionary came from. Isn't the dictionary just a list of all the concepts that make up this apparent life we are living? Perhaps you could say the dictionary is a list of interpretations of apparent phenomena that arise.

As Michael pointed out, fear is just a feeling, but calling it a feeling is still to label it in some way, to know it in some way, so that it fits into our "understanding" or "interpretation" of what life is.
it seems the most difficult concept to 'see through'... is the idea that words are concepts... rather than 'symbols'...

as a symbol... the word may represent a concept.... and the same word may represent many different concepts... and 'over time' the concepts associated with the word may change... so now the word 'wicked' means 'fantastic'... 'really good'... (from some persepctives :D )

a word may also be used to symbolise this that cannot be conceived or sensed... and yet remains plain....

like the word 'seeing'...

without doubt... without theory... without thought... 'seeing' is plain...

and yet there is no idea (no concept) of 'what' or 'how' or 'where' or 'when' or 'who' or 'why' it 'is'... just that it is...

the same with 'feeling'...

no 'interpretation'... just this...

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Post by michael » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:20 pm

toombaru wrote:
epi wrote: Fear is in its recognition

(Swamananda)






.........or in the firecrackers.........



:shock:
from the perspective of a battle hardened soldier... the sound of a firecracker is not fearful...

it is not the apparent object that contains the fear...

the only thing 'fearful'... is fear...

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Post by epi » Thu Dec 27, 2007 10:43 pm

The word/idea Ego .... vanished some time back....

the word/idea 'I' seems to have fallen into a vacuum
and lost its importance...

now the word/idea Fear looks to be biting the dust....

Is there anything left ?

Beer ? Rock and Roll ? ..... Led Zeppelin coming back out maybe ?

The Hammer of the Gods !!!!!!
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Re: Fear

Post by michael » Thu Dec 27, 2007 11:24 pm

michael wrote:it seems the most difficult concept to 'see through'... is the idea that words are concepts... rather than 'symbols'...

as a symbol... the word may represent a concept.... and the same word may represent many different concepts... and 'over time' the concepts associated with the word may change... so now the word 'wicked' means 'fantastic'... 'really good'... (from some perspectives :D )
these words 'fantastic' and 'really good' are also not the concept...

it appears 'words' define 'words'... but 'words' have no intrinsic meaning...

'meaning' alone defines 'meaning'

and 'meaning' is another meaningless word... like 'colour'...

'meaning' is simply 'known'... one with the knowing of it...

as 'colour' is simply seen... one with the seeing of it...

number form and meaning are irreducible... they are invisible... one with with the knowing of them... one with 'noumenon'...

'what' 'knowing/number/form/meaning'... 'is'... impossible to say...

a complete mystery...

yet it is plain that number form and meaning are known... one with the knowing of them...

Love
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