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Post by epi » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:18 am

Light preceeds all concepts...for without it...not even space is
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Post by epi » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:19 am

One can only go backwards so far....before they end up ..at the beginning
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Post by michael » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:26 am

toombaru wrote:
michael wrote:
toombaru wrote:
epi wrote: Fear is in its recognition

(Swamananda)






.........or in the firecrackers.........



:shock:
from the perspective of a battle hardened soldier... the sound of a firecracker is not fearful...

it is not the apparent object that contains the fear...

the only thing 'fearful'... is fear...

Love

Sometime....just for the fun if it.........the next battle hardened soldier you come across........yell: "INCOMING" really loud.......and watch what happens.



toombaru
no doubt most soldiers appear fearful... but fear is incapacitating... it does not aid survival... it apparently freezes... or apparently causes 'irrational behaviour'... as a soldier's response to 'incoming' yelled while he is sitting on his couch at home... perhaps apparently resulting in him physically lashing out at the person who yelled it... a response that is not appropriate

'fear' arises 'in prospect'... that is... 'in anticipation of the horror to come'...

there are... it seems... those soldiers who apparently respond in the moment... without fear being present whose actions appear most appropriate...

fear is always about the future...

Love
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Post by michael » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:27 am

epi wrote:Light preceeds all concepts...for without it...not even space is
and if no meaning is accorded the word 'light'...

a truer word was never spoken... :D

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Post by epi » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:31 am

Fear is nothing other than possibility...!!!!!!!!

epi is in the working world ...and I live it...

case in point
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Post by epi » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:32 am

michael wrote:
epi wrote:Light preceeds all concepts...for without it...not even space is
and if no meaning is accorded the word 'light'...

a truer word was never spoken... :D

Love
You are clever Michael ....
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Post by michael » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:32 am

epi wrote:Fear is nothing other than possibility...!!!!!!!!
like I said... it is always about the future... :D

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Post by maple3 » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:33 am

michael wrote:maple... there is always a concept lurking behind the emotion of fear...

can you articulate it...

Love
Hmm, not sure how to explain... I'm saying the bare and naked "emotion of fear" has nothing to do with the "concept of fear" (although I admit the two can also be connected)...

It's like when that ferocious bear surprises you, and you don't really have time to even conceptualize what it is. You might have a natural reflex ... and jump, startled (flight or flight reflex)... and the adrenaline is instantly created in the adrenal glands, instantly washing throughout the bloodstream. Ya know, the adrenals don't actually need a "concept" to create adrenaline at faster-than-lightning speed...

And all that "flight or fight" response happens without the "concept," and without the "thinking" about what has frightened you. And like Toomby said, the brain is "a tenth of a second" behind... (comparatively very sluggish when compared to the biological and emotional responses to fear). So I'm talking more about the raw emotions that have nothing to do with concepts. Certainly concepts can create emotions... and concepts on top of concepts can create emotions on top of emotions... but emotions can also exist without any concepts whatsoever.


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Post by epi » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:33 am

michael wrote:
epi wrote:Fear is nothing other than possibility...!!!!!!!!
like I said... it is always about the future... :D

Love
It seems then we as huamns nurse our fears ...be they individual or collective...
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Post by michael » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:34 am

epi wrote:
michael wrote:
epi wrote:Light preceeds all concepts...for without it...not even space is
and if no meaning is accorded the word 'light'...

a truer word was never spoken... :D

Love
You are clever Michael ....
'cleverness'... like 'fear'... is in the eye of the beholder...

what meaning would you accord it... :D

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Post by epi » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:35 am

Intellect might say they arise to remind us of natural reality...

.... a mystic might say otherwise...

BUT...QM does not allow for mystics..
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Post by michael » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:36 am

epi wrote:
michael wrote:
epi wrote:Fear is nothing other than possibility...!!!!!!!!
like I said... it is always about the future... :D

Love
It seems then we as huamns nurse our fears ...be they individual or collective...
'humans' are subject to 'rational' and 'irrational' fears...

though no human has ever experienced 'fear'...

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Post by epi » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:36 am

michael wrote:
epi wrote:
michael wrote:
epi wrote:Light preceeds all concepts...for without it...not even space is
and if no meaning is accorded the word 'light'...

a truer word was never spoken... :D

Love
You are clever Michael ....
'cleverness'... like 'fear'... is in the eye of the beholder...

what meaning would you accord it... :D

Love
The meaning ?

...that i see your post as some fellow behind a keyboard like myself....

...
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Post by michael » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:37 am

epi wrote:Intellect might say they arise to remind us of natural reality...

.... a mystic might say otherwise...

BUT...QM does not allow for mystics..
so what is QM...

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Post by michael » Fri Dec 28, 2007 1:38 am

epi wrote:
michael wrote:
epi wrote:
michael wrote:
epi wrote:Light preceeds all concepts...for without it...not even space is
and if no meaning is accorded the word 'light'...

a truer word was never spoken... :D

Love
You are clever Michael ....
'cleverness'... like 'fear'... is in the eye of the beholder...

what meaning would you accord it... :D

Love
The meaning ?

...that i see your post as some fellow behind a keyboard like myself....

...
the question was what meaning would you accord 'light'...

but as you've raised it... what is this 'epi' that sits behind the keyboard...

Love
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