Local vs. Non-local Knowing

nemo
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Post by nemo » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:01 pm

We are all of it.
Words, thoughts, concepts, non-concepts, negation, assertion, sense of separateness, sense of oneness.
We are all of it.
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Post by toombaru » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:02 pm

aquarius wrote:
toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
dilaram wrote:

thanks for the peace and love, but 'I' don't need it...

... I AM IT...


:lol:
Not according to Toombaru.


How can you be a word?
.......oh......wait a minute.....
......you are nothing but words.....
so......in an odd sort of way.......you ARE peace and love.

Ain't that a kick?
Wrong again. 'You' are before words, before thought.


No.
You heard that somewhere.
It ain't true.
You (the sense of a separate ,autonomous self) and the words emerge and evaporate concurrently.
aquarius
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Post by aquarius » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:44 pm

toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
dilaram wrote:

thanks for the peace and love, but 'I' don't need it...

... I AM IT...


:lol:
Not according to Toombaru.


How can you be a word?
.......oh......wait a minute.....
......you are nothing but words.....
so......in an odd sort of way.......you ARE peace and love.

Ain't that a kick?
Wrong again. 'You' are before words, before thought.


No.
You heard that somewhere.
It ain't true.
You (the sense of a separate ,autonomous self) and the words emerge and evaporate concurrently.
Where is the self and words in deep dreamless sleep?
I love talking about nothing ...
it is the only thing i know anything about.
nemo
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Post by nemo » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:57 pm

"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nisargadatta_Maharaj
Last edited by nemo on Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Post by aquarius » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:03 pm

nemo wrote:

I have found to use care w/ the intense negation that is a teaching technique of a practice.
Well that's no good to this supposed person.


Because, da da,I'm self taught... :lol: 8)
I love talking about nothing ...
it is the only thing i know anything about.
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Post by nemo » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:10 pm

aquarius wrote:
nemo wrote:

I have found to use care w/ the intense negation that is a teaching technique of a practice.
Well that's no good to this supposed person.


Because, da da,I'm self taught... :lol: 8)
I removed this:
I have found to use care w/ the intense negation that is a teaching technique of a practice.
As it is an unnecessary addition. Nizy's words stand on their own.
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Post by aquarius » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:31 pm

nemo wrote: I removed this:
I have found to use care w/ the intense negation that is a teaching technique of a practice.
As it is an unnecessary addition. Nizy's words stand on their own.
Yes, I love Nissy, he taught me everything i already knew.

I'm a die hard Nisargadatta Dude.
I love talking about nothing ...
it is the only thing i know anything about.
dilaram

Post by dilaram » Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:40 pm

aquarius wrote:
dilaram wrote:.


Is it so difficult to 'get' that Non-duality points to "the fact" that reality is One?




:lol:
That's because non-duality is the biggest load of dumb shit man ever dreamed up.

The dream is dual by nature,that's self evident,
now to turn that around and then say, oh bye the way, it's not really dual at all, it's non-dual, well that's about as insane as it can get.

Ok, yeah, it's all one, but 'who' in the heck is ever going to truely see or understand that?

Think about it :roll:

Jezus Christ! What sort of interpretation is this :?:

Did I say the dream is non-dual :?:

Reality is nondual and in that Reality appears the dream of duality!

That's what I've been saying from the very start.

If Nonduality is the biggest load of dumb shit why the hell are you here on a Nonduality-forum :?:

You seem to like the taste and smell of shit since you've been here already for ages...

Ah leave it, I don't need your answer, it were rhetorical questions, I'm not interested in that sort of discussion.

And btw: I don't have to think or see it...'I' repeat: there is no one and nothing to think about or see...except in the dream...there everything can happen, the most insane things first!

:roll:
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Post by toombaru » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:50 pm

aquarius wrote:
toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
dilaram wrote:

thanks for the peace and love, but 'I' don't need it...

... I AM IT...


:lol:
Not according to Toombaru.


How can you be a word?
.......oh......wait a minute.....
......you are nothing but words.....
so......in an odd sort of way.......you ARE peace and love.

Ain't that a kick?
Wrong again. 'You' are before words, before thought.


No.
You heard that somewhere.
It ain't true.
You (the sense of a separate ,autonomous self) and the words emerge and evaporate concurrently.
Where is the self and words in deep dreamless sleep?


The self has no existential reality to start with.
Where is a shadow in the sun light?
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Post by makara » Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:24 am

On the topic of knowledge
makara is
definately with Lao Tsu.
Each day i get rid of a little bit more
and rue the years spent
accumulating it
with the false belief that
it was necessary, useful
and important.

Oh great spirit
turn me upside down
and empty it all out.
aquarius
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Post by aquarius » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:21 pm

toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
toombaru wrote:
aquarius wrote:
dilaram wrote:

thanks for the peace and love, but 'I' don't need it...

... I AM IT...


:lol:
Not according to Toombaru.


How can you be a word?
.......oh......wait a minute.....
......you are nothing but words.....
so......in an odd sort of way.......you ARE peace and love.

Ain't that a kick?
Wrong again. 'You' are before words, before thought.


No.
You heard that somewhere.
It ain't true.
You (the sense of a separate ,autonomous self) and the words emerge and evaporate concurrently.
Where is the self and words in deep dreamless sleep?


The self has no existential reality to start with.
Where is a shadow in the sun light?
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Yes, i agree...There is no self.
There is only light, shadows are appearances of the light...
ONE appearing as itself as the many.

The pseudo self is the assumed 'you'
So, like you said ....''You (the sense of a separate ,autonomous self) and the words emerge and evaporate concurrently.''

*The Light*
That's what this is.
That's what i meant.
I love talking about nothing ...
it is the only thing i know anything about.
aquarius
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Post by aquarius » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:42 pm

dilaram wrote:

If Nonduality is the biggest load of dumb shit why the hell are you here on a Nonduality-forum :?:

You seem to like the taste and smell of shit since you've been here already for ages...
Yes, i do like the taste -It's all one taste.

Why i am i here? ... because i like saying Non-duality is dumb shit, but that's just my opinion, don't let it concern you.
Besides, i like rolling around in the mud here at this forum, it's the best fun i've had, it makes me happy, and i laugh a lot.
Especially at how the character Dilaram appears to take himself so seriously, and reacts like a headless parrot...squawk! squawk!
No offence Dilaram, it's just like old times mate.
Ah leave it, I don't need your answer, it were rhetorical questions, I'm not interested in that sort of discussion.
Then why bother replying to me then :roll:
I haven't changed at all since the Nobody Home forum, so don't be so surprised by my posts.
And btw: I don't have to think or see it...'I' repeat: there is no one and nothing to think about or see...except in the dream...there everything can happen, the most insane things first!

:roll:
Ok, eye eye, captain... your da boss man.
I love talking about nothing ...
it is the only thing i know anything about.
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Post by aquarius » Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:49 pm

dilaram wrote:

Reality is nondual and in that Reality appears the dream of duality!
The dream is real, which makes the dream of duality reality.

Which makes reality duality.
I love talking about nothing ...
it is the only thing i know anything about.
makara
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Post by makara » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:35 pm

i look at the diction
some use
and thereby
is declared their state of consciousness
or unconsciousness
as the case may be.
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