Dear Leo

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 10:43 pm

Where did my ''To Awakening'' thread go - do you know?

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:10 pm

In that thread i dared to put forward a question to Leo.

Leo replied he was not really in the mood to answer questions, but obliged all the same.

In his reply, he asserted that consciousness is compared to electricity in that it passes through a brain manifesting itself as a mind.

Then i said this clicked with me, but then wanted to know a little more.

So i then asked, is consciousness before the brain, and if it is, then the consciousness and the mind can not be processes of the brain.

That's when the thread disappeared.

WTF are we not allowed to ask questions on this forum or what??

If not, then Non-duality is just like every other idealist belief system, nothing but an elaborate hoax, where no one knows what the hell they are talking about.

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:18 pm

And if this thread disappears or worst still, i get banned for this thread .. then that will only prove my point, that ND is all a big fat hoax.

I hope lots of people get to read this, before it is wiped away by the tricksters.

Alex · Post by **Alex** » Fri Sep 17, 2010 11:52 pm

Hi aqua,

Scroll down, dear One.

"To awakening" is there,
~ 16 threads down.

Seems I'm very busy with my studies,
but I still enjoy visiting from 'time-to-time'.

Love,
alex

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:00 am

Alex wrote:
Hi aqua,

Scroll down, dear One.
"To awakening" is there,
~ 16 threads down.

Seems I'm very busy with my studies,
but I still enjoy visiting from 'time-to-time'.

Love,
alex

ok thanks Alex, i see it there.

There was some confusion, as i made a new post on the thread, i pressed the edit button instead of the quote button.

That's why it didn't move to the top of the pile, so i immediately assumed it had been deliberately removed, i'm really paranoid at the moment.

oops, sorry my bad, i over reacted big time.

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:02 am

Leo, i'm really sorry for the confusion, please don't ban me.

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:40 am

I asked someone on another forum what they thought about ND

this was the reply.........

''Non-duality is a philosophical system of putting all into one, and one into all.

If one studies it deeply enough, one realizes this is impossible to do with any type of word system or mathematical system

__yet the mind of pure vision can imagine it__but, what good is the metaphoric imagination of it, if it can't be repeated...? ''

________

Another question i have now is ...... Is ND just another form of escapism / addiction for the mind.

Reality is reality and it is real, it's not like a dream, it's real.
So, perhaps you might like to question why you choose to indulge so much energy and time talking about something that cannot be repeated?

ANNA · Post by **ANNA** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 5:49 am

ANNA · Post by **ANNA** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:02 am

Xmac · Post by **Xmac** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:09 am

aquarius wrote:I asked someone on another forum what they thought about ND

this was the reply.........

''Non-duality is a philosophical system of putting all into one, and one into all.

Well, that sounds like a lot of heavy lifting. Can't we just say, "all is one and one is all" and kick back?

If one studies it deeply enough, one realizes this is impossible to do with any type of word system or mathematical system

Wait a minute, I thought this person just did that? Rewind...to the top of the quote.

__yet the mind of pure vision can imagine it__but, what good is the metaphoric imagination of it, if it can't be repeated...? ''

I don't know what they're talking about but if ND is so great, why is there an apparent duality too? Whoa, sounds like duality slippin back in. Uh oh, now what?
________

Another question i have now is ...... Is ND just another form of escapism / addiction for the mind.

Reality is reality and it is real, it's not like a dream, it's real.
So, perhaps you might like to question why you choose to indulge so much energy and time talking about something that cannot be repeated?

When it comes to reality not being like a dream, consider not what your sense perception is now, awake, consider how convinced you are in the dream. That includes day dreams. Your body, for example responds to the any dream as it does "reality". That tells me you're buying it. That's what it's for.

Reality is relative to the dream and vice-versa.

Ultimately, if there is an unadulterated pure reality it is useless. It's the dream, then waking into a supposed "reality", then the dream within a dream etc., that is the point.

Escapism? Sure, why not?

Oops, I forgot. Reality is better.

I like the line from Waking Life, something to the effect of, "go out Salsa dancing with your confusion".

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 7:29 am

Thanks very much Xmac, for your support and helpful reply.

And thank you to Anna for your warm reassuring presence too.

I'm just driven a bit mad sometimes, wanting to know how consciousness and the brain works that's all.

I know we'll never find out.....for one very good reason as toomby would say

Cheers every one.

Post by **awakening** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:41 am

Hi Aqua

It seems you have a few difficult days. They too shall pass.
No intention here to 'ban' for a mistake or a single 'flare up.'
A prolonged arguing instead of discussing may do it tough.

Be well dear One.

.

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:47 am

awakening wrote:Hi Aqua

It seems you have a few difficult days. They too shall pass.
No intention here to 'ban' for a mistake or a single 'flare up.'
A prolonged arguing instead of discussing may do it tough.

Be well dear One.

.

Leo thank you for your good wishes... much appreciated.

I have been experiencing some personal tough days at the present, but nothing tragic, just my babies leaving the nest, that's all.

Yes. this sadness will pass, but we're only human.

Ps, my arguing days are well and truly over you'll be pleased to hear...

Kailashana · Post by **Kailashana** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 12:19 pm

What I have learned is nonduality includes everything and excludes nothing, arguments, disagreements, misunderstandings happen, feeling the passages of life, we are in the flow, so to speak...

Spirals of awareness, spiraling into deeper understanding.

Love,
Anna

p.s. This too shall pass.

aquarius · Post by **aquarius** » Sat Sep 18, 2010 1:19 pm

Kailashana wrote:What I have learned is nonduality includes everything and excludes nothing, arguments, disagreements, misunderstandings happen, feeling the passages of life, we are in the flow, so to speak...

Spirals of awareness, spiraling into deeper understanding.

Love,
Anna

p.s. This too shall pass.

Hi Anna

I absolutely agree with you.
All we have to remember is that this is a play played by consciousness, it's not real.
No more real than a movie screening at the cinema is real.
We can watch a movie that might trigger emotional responses, but we know the movie isn't real.
And every reaction is a spontaneous happening beyond our control.
Same with waking life, it's how we choose to respond to stuff,
we can just as easy laugh out loud in the face of someone insulting us as we can cry and be offended by them.

That's how i look at it anyway.

Ps, I used to get offended at some of toomby's posts, then i woke up, now i laugh out loud at them.
It's all a matter of shifting perspectives.