Objectivity
Yes, The One Mind does indeed express as the appearances of many---
This is It---This tangible world is the evidence of One Unseen Light--
Not sure if you were backing me up or were you presenting an opposing point of view?
We are the world we walk through---It cannot be one or the other--- The world is a reflection of 'within'---
You be it, you see it---
This is It---This tangible world is the evidence of One Unseen Light--
Not sure if you were backing me up or were you presenting an opposing point of view?
We are the world we walk through---It cannot be one or the other--- The world is a reflection of 'within'---
You be it, you see it---
What is bound on earth is bound in heaven and what is freed on earth is freed in heaven.
This quote pertains to personal liberty.If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
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Say no more ... I'll leave mr.Hornberger to his own devices.Ayn Rand seems to have catapulted him
(Having ploughed through Ayn Rand's work I could not separate it
from her pre- Revolutionary and Octo17th and aftermath, experiences.
Particularly the removal of her Jewish father from
his pharmacy.
The only ideas she has which (imho) are worth looking
at is her theory on sex.
I can understand why the righty right wing and captains of industry
would put her on a pedestal ... she justifies their greed with a form
of hero creation.
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What about a cold cup of coffee?because there are no closed systems.
Oh dear ... I see I've fallen into the trap ...
of having opinions. Oh mea culpa ... a cold shower
as my penance. This business of being 'no thing' yet
having to continue 'person-ing' is tricky isn't it?
Re: Objectivity
makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger
This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster
Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.
Objectification is imagination.
Re: Objectivity
dilaram wrote:makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger
This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster
Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.
Objectification is imagination.
...then what is imagination...?




Non-duality isn't a point of view, only appears so.Blossom wrote:Yes, The One Mind does indeed express as the appearances of many---
This is It---This tangible world is the evidence of One Unseen Light--
Not sure if you were backing me up or were you presenting an opposing point of view?
We are the world we walk through---It cannot be one or the other--- The world is a reflection of 'within'---
You be it, you see it---
Re: Objectivity
Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.ANNA wrote:dilaram wrote:makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger
This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster
Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.
Objectification is imagination.
...then what is imagination...?![]()
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Re: Objectivity
dilaram wrote:Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.ANNA wrote:dilaram wrote:makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger
This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster
Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.
Objectification is imagination.
...then what is imagination...?![]()
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..hmmmmmm
then who is the 'maker' of the image
and who's this that knows this 'something'
which is and which'sn't an image....




Re: Objectivity
Everything is as it is.ANNA wrote:dilaram wrote:Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.ANNA wrote:dilaram wrote:makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger
This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster
Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.
Objectification is imagination.
...then what is imagination...?![]()
![]()
![]()
..hmmmmmm
then who is the 'maker' of the image
and who's this that knows this 'something'
which is and which'sn't an image....![]()
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How or what or when or who or why or where it is, that is imagination...
...real imagination.
Re: Objectivity
dilaram wrote:Everything is as it is.ANNA wrote:dilaram wrote:Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.ANNA wrote:dilaram wrote:makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger
This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster
Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.
Objectification is imagination.
...then what is imagination...?![]()
![]()
![]()
..hmmmmmm
then who is the 'maker' of the image
and who's this that knows this 'something'
which is and which'sn't an image....![]()
![]()
![]()
How or what or when or who or why or where it is, that is imagination...
...real imagination.
..hey, let's just enjoy
the absurdism of sometimes
our absurd ideas and concepts,
even when we are entraped
within our own imaginary traps.....lol


Re: Objectivity
ANNA wrote:
..hey, let's just enjoy
the absurdism of sometimes
our absurd ideas and concepts,
even when we are entraped
within our own imaginary traps.....lol
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Calling a cow a cow doesn't mean you can't enjoy a cow...

Re: Objectivity
..........MU...........MU.................MU...............dilaram wrote:ANNA wrote:
..hey, let's just enjoy
the absurdism of sometimes
our absurd ideas and concepts,
even when we are entraped
within our own imaginary traps.....lol
![]()
Calling a cow a cow doesn't mean you can't enjoy a cow...


