Objectivity

Blossom
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Post by Blossom » Wed Oct 06, 2010 6:37 pm

Yes, The One Mind does indeed express as the appearances of many---

This is It---This tangible world is the evidence of One Unseen Light--

Not sure if you were backing me up or were you presenting an opposing point of view?

We are the world we walk through---It cannot be one or the other--- The world is a reflection of 'within'---

You be it, you see it---
What is bound on earth is bound in heaven and what is freed on earth is freed in heaven.
makara
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Post by makara » Thu Oct 07, 2010 4:15 am

If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger
This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
____________________
Ayn Rand seems to have catapulted him
Say no more ... I'll leave mr.Hornberger to his own devices.

(Having ploughed through Ayn Rand's work I could not separate it
from her pre- Revolutionary and Octo17th and aftermath, experiences.
Particularly the removal of her Jewish father from
his pharmacy.

The only ideas she has which (imho) are worth looking
at is her theory on sex.

I can understand why the righty right wing and captains of industry
would put her on a pedestal ... she justifies their greed with a form
of hero creation.
________________
because there are no closed systems.
What about a cold cup of coffee?

Oh dear ... I see I've fallen into the trap ...
of having opinions. Oh mea culpa ... a cold shower
as my penance. This business of being 'no thing' yet
having to continue 'person-ing' is tricky isn't it?
dilaram

Re: Objectivity

Post by dilaram » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:38 am

makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.
ANNA
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Re: Objectivity

Post by ANNA » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:40 am

dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.

...then what is imagination...? :roll: :shock:


:wink: :lol:
dilaram

Post by dilaram » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:47 am

Blossom wrote:Yes, The One Mind does indeed express as the appearances of many---

This is It---This tangible world is the evidence of One Unseen Light--

Not sure if you were backing me up or were you presenting an opposing point of view?

We are the world we walk through---It cannot be one or the other--- The world is a reflection of 'within'---

You be it, you see it---
Non-duality isn't a point of view, only appears so.
dilaram

Re: Objectivity

Post by dilaram » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:51 am

ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.

...then what is imagination...? :roll: :shock:


:wink: :lol:
Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.
ANNA
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:11 pm

Re: Objectivity

Post by ANNA » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:55 am

dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.

...then what is imagination...? :roll: :shock:


:wink: :lol:
Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.

..hmmmmmm


then who is the 'maker' of the image

and who's this that knows this 'something'

which is and which'sn't an image.... :roll: :?:


:wink: :lol:
dilaram

Re: Objectivity

Post by dilaram » Thu Oct 07, 2010 8:59 am

ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.

...then what is imagination...? :roll: :shock:


:wink: :lol:
Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.

..hmmmmmm


then who is the 'maker' of the image

and who's this that knows this 'something'

which is and which'sn't an image.... :roll: :?:


:wink: :lol:
Everything is as it is.

How or what or when or who or why or where it is, that is imagination...

...real imagination.
ANNA
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:11 pm

Re: Objectivity

Post by ANNA » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:04 am

dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:
dilaram wrote:
makara wrote:Quote:
If you are not free to choose wrongly and irresponsibly, you are not free at all. ~Jacob Hornberger

This quote pertains to personal liberty.
H.Foerster's quote pertains to scientific propositions which
affect (potentially) everybody.
makara wrote:" Objectivity is a subject' s delusion that observing can be done without him/her. Invoking objectivity is abrogating responsibility hence its popularity."
Heinz Foerster

Go Heinz!
But did they listen?
Of course not.
The moment you talk about 'responsibility' it always pertains to 'persons', whether it be 'somebody' or 'everybody'.

Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion...and of course every objectivity too.

Objectification is imagination.

...then what is imagination...? :roll: :shock:


:wink: :lol:
Imagination is the making of an image of 'something which isn't an image'.

..hmmmmmm


then who is the 'maker' of the image

and who's this that knows this 'something'

which is and which'sn't an image.... :roll: :?:


:wink: :lol:
Everything is as it is.

How or what or when or who or why or where it is, that is imagination...

...real imagination.

..hey, let's just enjoy

the absurdism of sometimes

our absurd ideas and concepts,

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol


:wink: :lol:
makara
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Post by makara » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:10 am

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol
:lol:
______________________

Spot the difference:
Every 'objectied subject' is part of the illusion
Objectivity is a subject' s delusion
:wink:
dilaram

Re: Objectivity

Post by dilaram » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:10 am

ANNA wrote:
..hey, let's just enjoy

the absurdism of sometimes

our absurd ideas and concepts,

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol


:wink: :lol:

Calling a cow a cow doesn't mean you can't enjoy a cow...

:lol:
ANNA
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Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:11 pm

Re: Objectivity

Post by ANNA » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:19 am

dilaram wrote:
ANNA wrote:
..hey, let's just enjoy

the absurdism of sometimes

our absurd ideas and concepts,

even when we are entraped

within our own imaginary traps.....lol


:wink: :lol:

Calling a cow a cow doesn't mean you can't enjoy a cow...

:lol:
..........MU...........MU.................MU...............


Image



:wink: :lol:
makara
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Post by makara » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:27 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

There's an expression here:

"when you find yrself in a hole,
stop digging!"
ANNA
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Post by ANNA » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:31 am

makara wrote::lol: :lol: :lol:

There's an expression here:

"when you find yrself in a hole,
stop digging!"
you just find yourself
free falling in a hole
you can't stop
it happens
by itself
............

including
digging and.........


......................SHIT!


:P :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
makara
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Post by makara » Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:37 am

MU MU MMMMMUUUUUUUU!
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